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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
Porkncheese
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Message 42 of 460 (884842)
03-10-2021 12:17 PM


The way which these vaccines are being "rolled out" is unethical and criminal...

Its a known fact that some people will have a severe reaction to the vaccines including lifelong disability and death...
However, there is no warning at all. In fact, they are lying to us by claiming it is "safe and effective"...

No other industry is allowed to get away with such immorality...
If I have 1,000 bars of chocolate and I know that one of them will poison and kill someone then is it ok for me to sell them without any warning? Of course not...

And for the people that get damaged by the vaccine, there is no justice as the vaccine makers have been given indemnity, they are free from any liability...
What kind of criminal act is this??? Anyone else in any other industry would be incarcerated for this.

And so... As I said... These vaccines are being rolled out in an unethical and criminal fashion.


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Message 44 of 460 (884849)
03-10-2021 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Tangle
03-10-2021 12:54 PM


U want evidence that some people are harmed by vaccines... Such as the claims made on the VAERS website, the list of adverse reactions listed by the FDA, or the billions of dollars paid out in compensation.

All of which are easily found... The fact that you're implying that no one gets injured at all just shows how much of a liar you are...

Then you resorted to attempted slander at the finish. That's a really cheap way to lose an argument mate...

How about giving me an explanation as to why they should be exempt from liability then?


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Porkncheese
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Message 46 of 460 (884860)
03-10-2021 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Tangle
03-10-2021 2:55 PM


Here is an admission from the FDA of the side effects from the covid vaccines

And here is the data from the CDC regarding the total adverse reactions that have been reported.

My prediction is that you won't accept the truth. It will make you so angry that you will probably resort to slander


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Porkncheese
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Message 49 of 460 (884886)
03-11-2021 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Tangle
03-11-2021 3:30 AM


First, you berated me for telling the truth that some people have adverse reactions. You asked for evidence of this as if you didn't know only for you to finally acknowledge it...
So then why did u berate me in the first place? Are the facts uncomfortable for you? And why ask to see the evidence if you already knew? You're just being difficult and trying to avoid my point...

How about trying to address my point which is that it is unethical to sell a dangerous product without warning. And it is criminal to be exempt from liability.
I can't think of any other industry that is allowed to operate in such an immoral fashion... Can you?


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Porkncheese
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Message 198 of 460 (890698)
01-10-2022 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tangle
11-09-2020 8:31 AM


That article from November 2020 said
"The first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19, a preliminary analysis shows"

Fast forward 14 months and this is what we see in Australia...
Around the 1st of July 2021 Australias population was only 10% jabbed
Now they say 90% of Aussies are jabbed...
Look what happened to the case count... The vaxed are getting infected worse than ever before.
And look at what they locked down for... Nothing...

That is clear evidence that the experimental needles are not 90% effective at preventing covid. In fact we now know that a vaxed person can catch and spread covid providing no immunity at all... All that talk of herd immunity has been refuted... All that talk of the syringe ending the pandemic and bringing life back to normal has been refuted... And this fact is being confirmed as we speak in highly vaxed nations in the northern hemisphere

Now lets look at hospitalizations...
The msm says its mostly the unvaxed...
Alt media and medical staff whistle blowers say its mostly the vaxed...
The msm have lied to us so many times its surprising that some people are still falling for their deception

So not only did the experiment fail at stopping infection and transmission and cases and deaths and hospitalizations... It has made them worse... Much much worse...
But despite the irrefutable evidence the situation here in Australia is dire. They still continue to force the vax and persecute the unvaxed and now their giving it to children
Much more people were hurt by loss of jobs, loss of homes, poverty, starvation, health both physical and mental and lives due to suicides and abandoned elective surgeries than covid...

The reported side effects and deaths in Australia sits at about 80k and 2k but they only link 10 deaths to the jab... Ye sure...
Medical staff are being blackmailed not to say anything negative about the vax or they will loose their licenses. Censorship is the mark of communists and fascists

In the state of Victoria the unvaxed are being discriminated against like no where else... They can't work or go to many places... Its segregation... Its apartheid and there is no justification for it. If the vaccines work then there is no need for me to get jabbed but if they don't then the criminal actions taken by the government are uncalled for.

Meanwhile all we hear about is "safe and effective"... This is a blatant lie and malpractice that equates to murder... Any potential side effect should always be conveyed to the patient for them to make an informed decision.
And people say "well there are still more covid deaths than vax deaths" That is an abhorrent thing to say. Average age of covid death is 85yo... Its normal for such to die of natural causes... Its not normal for a young person to die of the vaccine... They are playing human sacrifice in the belief they will get more time on this earth

Then we have this current phenomenon of athletes collapsing on the pitch and/or dying... This used to be such a rare event but now it appears to be the new normal in the experimental syringe era... There is no other correlation but the injections but they are so eager to push these drugs that they won't even think about the possibility... Its horrifying...

To conclude i just want to say this... People can take the jab if they like but the government needs to leave the rest alone... Stop attacking our fundamental rights. Stop discriminating against us. Stop trying to force the injection onto us


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Porkncheese
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Message 200 of 460 (890704)
01-10-2022 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Tanypteryx
01-10-2022 8:47 AM


Your health is your responsibility, not mine

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Porkncheese
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Message 203 of 460 (890709)
01-10-2022 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Tanypteryx
01-10-2022 9:42 AM


I am by not taking a dangerous experimental injection that has killed and disabled so many people

Edited by Porkncheese, : No reason given.


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Porkncheese
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Message 205 of 460 (890711)
01-10-2022 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Tanypteryx
01-10-2022 9:58 AM


Ive already had covid and was fine... Now i have natural immunity... Experimental injection not required

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Porkncheese
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Message 207 of 460 (890714)
01-10-2022 10:28 AM
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01-10-2022 10:14 AM


Re: The NLMP point
How am i irresponsible?
And why be so rude for?

Edited by Porkncheese, : No reason given.


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Porkncheese
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Message 209 of 460 (890716)
01-10-2022 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by jar
01-10-2022 10:39 AM


Re: The NLMP point
Uhh no, i had a covid antibody test. Im immune

Whats with the hostility... Is it because you have no valid argument...
Im reminded of this quote
"the further people stray from the truth the more they will hate those that speak it"

So then... Why should i risk death or disability from this experimental needle?


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Porkncheese
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Message 210 of 460 (890718)
01-10-2022 11:04 AM


Hypochondria
The world is full of hypochondriacs now...
Irrational fear...
Anxiety...
Anger...
Aggression...

Given the facts ive presented, why should i take a risk with the shot?
Anyone?


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Porkncheese
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Message 219 of 460 (890736)
01-10-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Tangle
01-10-2022 11:46 AM


Doing fine... No it's not fine at all... Melbourne is the most locked down city in the world, ok. Jobs lost, livelihoods lost, massive debt, sanity lost, homes lost, lives lost. It makes me cry thinking about the main so many of my friends are going through. Anecdotally I know no one who has been harmed by covid yet everyone I know has been harmed by the government response. Everyone Is so focused on covid that there ignoring everything else

My doc said as long as I have natural antibodies I'm protected. It's past 6 months, well see in another 6 or 12 months.
The jab does give you antibodies according to studies but their gone in 12 weeks so u need boosters. And you can still catch and spread it. Natural immunity is better

Anyway, for many us we don't care about covid, I dont, I over it all over the media every single day... It's become a moral issue because we are being punished for nothing. In Vic we can't work or go almost anywhere. Why not? How are we going to survive?

Do you think it's right that people are being forced to take the needle and being discriminated against?
And this desperate push to vax everyone. Shouldn't there be a control group? Shouldn't there be informed consent?

Most people are against this but some people want it. I ask them why and they have no explanation, only hate for us. We've done nothing wrong


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Porkncheese
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Message 220 of 460 (890737)
01-10-2022 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by ringo
01-10-2022 11:19 AM


Fair enough. We ought to love one another.
But what's a needle got to do with that? Nothing
And where is the love for the pro choice... No where..
Only vilification and discrimination... Why. We've done nothing wrong

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Porkncheese
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Message 221 of 460 (890738)
01-10-2022 1:42 PM


Totalitarianism is more dangerous than covid
Totalitarianism is more dangerous than covid
Will they ever relinquish the powers they have stolen in the last 2 years... I doubt it
Germany became a totalitarian state under a state of emergency. So did Rome. This is the fall of western democracy...
It was never about covid

  
Porkncheese
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Message 226 of 460 (890782)
01-10-2022 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Theodoric
01-10-2022 3:42 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
I am vaxed and boosted and getting out of COVID isolation tomorrow. My test came back last week positive. My symptoms were like a medium cold.
When the new booster comes out I will be in line for it.

Well its your choice and everyone should have that choice but did the vax work as they said it would... The article in the OP says it was 90% at preventing infection... Yet you got infected even after 3 doses...

The reason my symptoms were mild is because I am vaxed

Im hearing this kind of argument a lot but it is a fallacy because you cannot prove such. We don't know if your symptoms would of been better or worse without the jab.

Its like me saying, im unvaxed and had covid. It was like a mild cold that would of been worse if i had the jab.
It cannot be proven

Its a shift of the goal posts. Their original claim was that these injections would provide herd immunity, end the pandemic and bring life back to normal... That didn't happen so they fell back and said it lowers symptoms

Either way i wish the government would just leave us alone. Stop forcing by using coercion, blackmail, threats, bribery, ransom and such, these are all criminal offences. And stop discriminating against us. Leave us in peace cos we've done nothing wrong


In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth

"No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude"

"Its easier to fool, a man than to convince him he is being fooled"


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