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Message 305 of 1110 (891046)
01-14-2022 9:46 AM


Porkncheese Suspension Rescinded
Concerning the Porkncheese suspension, as I slowly caught up in this thread, reading and responding as Percy, I expected to eventually see a warning from a moderator, then see Porkncheese ignore or spurn the warning in spectacular fashion, and then see a one week suspension. But there was no warning from any moderator, just a suspension.
Moderator guidelines strongly advise moderators to warn before acting. Because that didn't happen in this case I am rescinding Porkncheese's suspension.
Porkncheese, this is your warning. Please discuss the topic constructively, which includes making a sincere effort to support your position with factual information. Those sincerely interested in constructive discussion have little difficulty figuring out how to do it. There will be no babysitting from moderators.
As I am a participant I will not be moderating this thread. I am just stepping in in this one instance to correct our failure to follow our own moderator guidelines.
AbE: I found the warning in the Belief Versus The Scientific Method thread at Message 416, but it was not specific to any individual, and Porkncheese never posted in that thread after the warning, so I am still rescinding the suspension.
Edited by Admin, : AbE.

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Message 996 of 1110 (910415)
04-22-2023 2:45 PM


Forum Rules
I'm not currently moderating this thread but will if it becomes necessary. For those unfamiliar with board policy, admins are not permitted to moderate threads in which they're participating, but if the need arises a admin can give notice that they are recusing themselves for two days (i.e., cease participating), after which they can begin moderating the thread.
I'd like to remind participants in this thread of rule 10:
  1. The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.
In other words, don't make the discussion personal. Going after someone's wife, particularly after being asked to stop, seems especially egregious to me. If it or anything like it occur again then I will recuse myself from participation in the thread for two days, after which I'll begin moderating thread discussion.

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Message 1005 of 1110 (910437)
04-22-2023 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 996 by Admin
04-22-2023 2:45 PM


Re: Forum Rules
I just wanted to make sure it's understood that if I do shift to a moderating role it will be with the goal of returning the thread to constructive discussion. I will focus my attention on anyone contributing in ways that make that more difficult.

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Message 1058 of 1110 (910520)
04-26-2023 7:33 AM


Moderator On Duty Soon
I have ceased my participation as Percy in this thread and will be initiating active moderation tomorrow afternoon. Please do not post messages that do not constructively contribute to the discussion, and certainly no messages that inhibit or stymie discussion.

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Message 1074 of 1110 (910589)
04-27-2023 3:52 PM


Moderator On Duty
I have now taken on the moderation role for this thread.
The goal for discussion threads like this one is constructive discussion accomplished by presenting and discussing facts and information, but discussions should be natural and include fun and seriousness, facts and fancy, as well as off-topic diversions (but not too far). We have a slim moderator staff right now, but what remains attempts to assist in those threads most likely to run off the rails.
To mix my metaphors, I think this thread resembles a soccer match where a rugby player has wandered onto the field and begun tackling players and running with the ball. With no ref present the soccer players would quickly become pretty upset, justifiably so. The obvious solution is for the rugby player to go find a rugby match. But if the rugby player is determined to play soccer then he should be given every opportunity to do so, measured by how well he follows the rules and traditions of soccer.
Leaving the metaphor behind, the measure of how well anyone is participating in a thread will be the character and nature of posts and how well they adhere to the Forum Guidelines and the requests of moderators.
For a start I'm going to place Kleinman on a one-post-per-day limit, and should he decide to accept that and, in effect, try to play soccer, and if that's reflected in his posts, then the limit will gradual increase. If not then eventual suspension will result. These aren't the only moderator tools at my disposal and I may decide to employ others. I will not be coaching Kleinman. He'll have to decide for himself whether he wants to make the effort to figure things out.
Please welcome Kleinman aboard and allow him a fresh start.
While my initial focus is on Kleinman, I'll be paying attention to all participation in this thread. Complaints shouldn't be made in this thread but should be taken to the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 thread.

--Percy
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Message 1076 of 1110 (910600)
04-28-2023 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1075 by Kleinman
04-28-2023 8:16 AM


Re: Moderator On Duty
Kleinman writes:
Oh, one last thing, I want to thank you for your invitation email you sent me several months ago. You even told me which thread you wanted me to post.
You've elected to keep your email private. Since no one knows your email address, no one can send you email, including me.
I did initiate a bulk email from the board's software last September 17th to members who have elected to receive discussion board email, which includes you, but that email was not addressed to anyone in particular. It was just a brief update on several then recent threads. There was no invitation to post to them, and it didn't mention this thread. Here's what it said:
quote:
Greetings from EvC Forum. This is an update on several recently active threads:

If you actually received an email like you describe, it wasn't from anyone here, except possible from any members to whom you might have previously provided your email address.

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Message 1078 of 1110 (910635)
05-01-2023 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1077 by Theodoric
04-30-2023 7:46 PM


Moderator Off Duty
Theodoric writes:
Are you lying again or just that delusional? You think you got an invite? Lol. What a maroon. A real embezzle.
I offered him a free restart and he replied with a message showing he understood that what he'd done was so wrong that he could actually commit one last act of damage by casting blame for his visit on whoever sent some imaginary invitation.
He seems to be gone, so I'm going to resume normal participation.

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