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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
Tangle
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Message 501 of 1110 (894775)
05-29-2022 6:38 AM


Infection rates for the UK have fallen pretty dramatically now.
I'd like to give you a graph but the relevant one doesn't want to give me a jpeg
uk covid infections - Google Search
This is reported infections but the plot is pretty much identical to the ONS survey results. The Office of National Statistics does statistical testing and sampling of the nation to determine real infection rates.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK - Office for National Statistics
btw, my back is significantly better now.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

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Message 506 of 1110 (894995)
06-05-2022 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 505 by jar
06-05-2022 8:36 AM


jar writes:
There is no real vaccine or treatment for what I have and what I have has a 100% mortality rate.
Yeh, life's like that.
In other news, my back is very nearly cured.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 515 of 1110 (895297)
06-21-2022 3:03 AM


We are having a significant new wave of COVID with two new variants of Omicron, BA4 and BA5.
Portugal and South Africa had it earlier.
Both are forms of Omicron that are mild and our vaccinations still work but they're more contagious and still a threat to vulnerable people. We're never getting shut of this thing.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 523 of 1110 (895897)
07-24-2022 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 521 by Porkncheese
07-24-2022 2:57 AM


Re: Covid vax does not work - You are not saved
The vaccines provide a significant reduction in the chances of catching COVID and provide a very high level of protection against severe ilnesses that cause hospitalisations and death. This is now beyond all scientific doubt.
Why are you lying?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 529 of 1110 (896124)
08-01-2022 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by Porkncheese
07-31-2022 11:27 PM


Re: Horay the vaccines work. We're saved
PorkiePie writes:
So i will repeat the facts...
You'll repeat your disinformation
They said it would give immunity...
It does
They were wrong...
They were right.
Go away troll, you're boring us.
‚Äč

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 546 of 1110 (899489)
10-15-2022 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by Porkncheese
10-15-2022 5:53 AM


Re: Pfizer now confirms what ive been saying all along
I see you ignored Percy's last post and brought a stupid person's video with you.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 555 of 1110 (901273)
11-07-2022 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 554 by Tanypteryx
10-16-2022 11:31 PM


Re: Horray your saved

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 568 of 1110 (904506)
12-31-2022 8:58 AM


I wonder what the Covidiots are making of what's happening in China now that the lid has been taken off.
Reuters reported that Chinese hospitals have been overwhelmed during the Christmas period as the epidemic rips through the population. The Chinese vaccines aren't terribly good, immunity from prior infection is fairly low given the severity of the lockdown and despite them publishing a 90% vaccination rate half of the over 80s haven't had their third vaccination.
It's not looking good there; you get some idea what would have happened without lockdowns and good vaccines.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 583 of 1110 (908052)
03-06-2023 3:37 AM


There are excess deaths around the world compared to pre-COVID. Here in the UK it's well known and reported on. But it's nothing anybody is blaming on vaccines. At least half of it is the fact that people are still dying from COVID, particularly the unvaccinated and elderly with co-morbidities.
Long COVID is also causing problems, cardiovascular deaths are occurring months after infection - particularly in the elderly. Our health services themselves are under huge stress trying to catch up with operations and treatments for 'normal' diseases that could not be dealt with during COVID itself. That's probably most of it but there's still some questions.
This is what the British Medical Journal is saying about it.
What is driving excess deaths in England and Wales? | The BMJ

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 586 of 1110 (908075)
03-07-2023 2:51 AM


In fact, excess death calculations show both how devastating COVID was (and is) and how effective the vaccines are are preventing death. Good piece of analysis by the Economist.
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries | The Economist

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 604 of 1110 (908353)
03-12-2023 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by Porkncheese
03-12-2023 6:06 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
What are you hoping to do here PorkiePie? You realise that you're talking mostly to rational people many of which are also scientists? Do you think you can persuade us with out-of-context charts, no causational evidence and laughing baby giffs?
Anyway, yes, as I already agreed, the excess death observation is real and IT HAS BEEN WIDELY REPORTED. It has not been ignored. That's why if you google it you'll get many articles written about t like this one.
Post-COVID excess mortality rates: What do they tell us about the state of public health in Europe? | Euronews
So perhaps you could stop spreading that particular lie now?
There are several explanations for these excess deaths. The most obvious is that people are still dying from COVID - mostly the unvaccinated (see graph) but also the elderly.
People are also dying from co-morbidities from long COVID, from 'normal' illnesses that could not be treated during COVID, from health services that are still struggling to recover, from spikes of seasonal flu that had been suppressed during lockdowns and from unusual weather events - Europe has a long, very hot drought last summer.
No-one, repeat no-one, is blaming the vaccine for any excess deaths except nutters like you. The vaccine is proven safe.
Deaths from unvaccinated far exceed vaccinated. Here's Percy's graph again. See that massive peak of deaths of the unvaccinated vs vaccinated - what do you think might possibly explain that? Could it be that it was because they were unvaccinated?
So show causation or stfu.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 606 of 1110 (908427)
03-15-2023 3:19 AM


Too frightened to discuss? Just here to post misinformation and lies?
Mods, do something please.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 617 of 1110 (909778)
04-11-2023 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 616 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 9:10 AM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
Do you think that spreading HIV is a public health issue, not a crime?
Forest fires are a public issue, deliberately staring one is arson.
HIV is a public Health issue, deliberately infecting someone is crime.
During COVID there were criminals that threatened to spit in a police officer's face if they attempted to arrest them for drug dealing - whilst shouting that they had COVID. Some of them did. During the HIV panic they threatened to bite. It was used as a weapon.
The law is all about intent, if you know you are infected with a dangerous disease and deliberately or recklessly set out to infect another you're guilty of a serious crime.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 625 of 1110 (909791)
04-11-2023 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 623 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 12:17 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
Do you know of anyone prosecuted for this crime?
In my town
A man who said he was "riddled" with HIV and convicted of trying to infect 10 men has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 12 years.
Daryll Rowe jailed for infecting men with HIV - BBC News

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 627 of 1110 (909795)
04-11-2023 1:10 PM


How many do you need?
The point is proven, people can be and are prosecuted for intentional infection.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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