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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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The academic literature will ignore the "conspiracy" issues. Minority groups will be concerned about drugs designed to kill them, not underrepresentation of diverse genomic pools in trials.
Zongsmith needs to get out a little more, if he thinks 9/11 conspiracy theories contradict my post. Has he ever talked to minority group members in - for example - New York City? He thinks 9/11 conspiracy views are so fringe? Really? I should point out that I, personally, dont associate "racial" groups as THAT different from one another ( I could never figure out how a Puerto Rican was considered any less "white" than a Jewish or Italian person, but that is another story), and that is true on multiple levels. (I was born in New York, so forgive me if I describe "whites" as essentially Jewish or Italian) But, culturally, the fears of vaccines are very real in minority communities. I have not been to NYC since 2017 ( not for lack or desire, as my heart is there), but I know what people think and say ( coronavirus vaccine issues in NYC are a bit out of my NYC milieu, but I have had plenty of influenza vaccine talks there. I did a search on the web and it does seem that the real vaccine fear issues are being slid over by the academic community (and white online community generally).. That is my take on the issue. Take it or leave it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamarkNewAge writes:
Really. The full term is "lunatic fringe". And it is meant literally.
He thinks 9/11 conspiracy views are so fringe? Really? LamarkNewAge writes:
"Whiteness" has little to do with color.
I could never figure out how a Puerto Rican was considered any less "white" than a Jewish or Italian person.... LamarkNewAge writes:
True. And that's a reaction caused by distrust of white "solutions" in general. In Canada, for instance, why would indigenous people trust any solutions from the people who "solved" their education problem by abducting their children and forcing them into abusive residential schools? Maybe white people don't really have minorities' best interests at heart? ... the fears of vaccines are very real in minority communities."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I just found a September 2020 poll, by AEI, that covered LOTS of issues.
Back when a bit less than half of Americans said they would get a FDA-approved vaccine, only 20% of blacks said they would. So that backs up my observations that most anti-vaxxers could have been from racial minorities, until recently, anyway. There was a version of a 9/11 Truther question asked, in the poll. It asked if the Bush administration had advanced knowledge of the specific 9/11/2001 operation , but allowed the attacks to happen. 17% said yes 51% said no 32% were not sure (The poll could have asked whether the Taliban government was justified in not turning over bin Laden, until his accusers proved that he, as well as the other accused, were really involved in the planning and/or operation. The early statement from bin Laden emphatically denied any involvement) (Middle easterners, in their home lands, generally feel that the later videos, of bin Laden, are fakes - or, alternatively, they feel he was always a mole pretending to oppose the foreigners who menace the Middle East, while secretly working for the enemy) (Polls consistently show that Arab populations are majorit 9/11 Truth believing ) The poll only asked 1 question on 9/11 Poll: Conspiracy Theories, misinformation, Covid-19, and the 2020 election. Findings from the September 2020 American Perspectives Survey Daniel A. Cox (Cox does a sly little inoculation trick, when he prefaces the poll with commentary that includes a grant that the CIA had information of a "general" attack by "al Qaeda". He leaves it essentially at that) (Perhaps a better question would have centered on the much more salient issue of whether the CIA had enough advanced information avaliable to have been able to have stopped the attack?) (And French intelligence had evidence of bin Laden meeting CIA officials in Dubai, from June 28 to July 4, 2001, if I recall correctly)
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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LNA writes:
I just found a September 2020 poll, by AEI, that covered LOTS of issues. Back when a bit less than half of Americans said they would get a FDA-approved vaccine, only 20% of blacks said they would. ok. but then even I would have had reservations. Afterall, Trump was in office and this may have been seen as a political stunt. And he turns everything he touches into shit. And obviously he is a racist. I think the tide is turning now, but haven't seen anything."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I am going by personal conversations, but it seems that the majority of black Americans do not see Trump as holding racial views different from the average American white (including white liberals)
On the coronavirus, the evolution of views, from 9/2020 to now, had more to do with external- presidential election 2020 factors, relative to the respective administration. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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LNA continues:
it seems that the majority of black Americans do not see Trump as holding racial views different from the average American white (including white liberals) that would be correct. The average white American is racist. even myself, constantly trying to identify it and stop it. we all are."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Michael Gunner, Chief Minister of the Northern Territory answers Ted Cruz.
Hey @tedcruz, g'day from the Northern Territory in Australia. Here are some facts. Nearly 70,000 Texans have tragically died from COVID. There have been zero deaths in the Territory.Did you know that? Vaccination Is so important here because we have vulnerable communities and the oldest continuous living cuture on the planet to protect.Did you know that? We've done whatever it takes to protect the Territory. That's kept us safe AND free.We have been in lock down for just eight days in 18 months. Our businesses and schools are all open Did you know that? We don't need vour lectures, thanks mate, You know nothing about us.And if you stand against a life-saving vaccine, then you sure as hell don't stand with Australia. I love Texas (go Longhorns), but when it comes to COVID, I'm glad we are nothing like you, Just perfect.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Ted is a fool and asshole but...
... remember, the Northern Territory is about twice the size of the whole state of Texas with a total population about the same as the city of Garland Texas or of Irving Texas.My Website: My Website
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I just posted my observations that John McCain juxtapositioned somebody of Arab ethnicity with somebody who is a "good, decent, American" and, despite the media attention the comment got, recieved almost no criticism from white Americans.
We spent the first decade+ of the 21st century fighting a racist "War on Terror". NATO invaded Africa. (Yes, a European "defensive" military invaded Muslim North Africa and few deny it was purely offensive, with zero defensive justifications) Iraq was accused of being behind 9/11. (Which 47% of Americans believed in the first decade of this century) Arab sentiments are disregarded as "lunatic fringe". I see a pattern here. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Nate Silver had an article, over a decade ago, that was titled along the lines of The Difference Between a Truther and a Birther.
(Aug 4, 2009. Just checked and edited post) He was responding to conservatives who pointed out that a May 4, 2007 Rasmussen poll showed that 35% of Democrats said Bush knew of the 9/11 attacks, in advance, but did nothing to stop them. 26% of Democrats were not sure. Silver responded that, while only 26% of Republicans held a skeptical position ( either not sure or felt Bush Knew) on Bush's knowledge of the attacks, the same poll found that 43% of Republicans either believed or were not sure of CIA foreknowledge of the attacks. 29% of all Americans felt the CIA Knew. 22% felt Bush Knew. Today, we know that the Silver standard for a conspiracy theorist has 49% in the skeptical position, on "Bush Knew", with 51% saying, flat out, that Bush Did Not Know. The real question is whether the CIA KNEW. I wish we had some recent polling data. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Unfortunately it's immunity from informed scientific advice. Enough people are never going to get vaccinated, mask up and avoid large social gatherings.
I check the covid case numbers everyday, and I think we're in the beginning stages of a fall bump. Too early to be certain, we'll know in another week or two. --Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
.... here we go again
Summary The EU is calling on member states to halt travel to and from nations where the new highly-mutated Covid variant has been found Health Secretary Sajid Javid says there is "huge international concern" over the variant first found in southern Africa - but there are no UK cases Belgium has identified one case of the new variant within its borders, the person arrived from Egypt earlier this month The UK has imposed travel restrictions on six African countries over concerns that vaccines may be less effective against the variant Countries including Germany, Italy, Israel, Japan, Kenya and Singapore have also restricted travel A top UK health official calls it "the most significant variant" to date, while an Oxford scientist tells the BBC: "It is bad news but it's not doomsday" The World Health Organization cautions against travel bans but is holding a special meeting to discuss the variantJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Oh, that reminds me. A few weeks ago just from following the daily numbers I thought we might be in the early stages of a fall bump, and it looks like we were. My thoughts, given past patterns, are that we'll peak in mid-December and be back to low numbers again between mid-February and mid-March.
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Typo.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
If this new variant gets round the vaccines, we're almost starting again from scratch. Informed speculation is that the current vaccines should prevent serious illness but everyone's guessing at the moment.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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If a new wave is coming that the vaccines don't protect against , this time we are not back to ground zero.
We have almost 2 years practicing what can keep us uninfected. Masks and other personal protective equipment were in short supply 2 years ago for the general population as well as healthcare workers. We can develop new vaccines in just a few months now and we have gotten way better at distributing them and a lot of other essential supplies, too. Not getting infected is the key, because hospital systems and staff are still overwhelmed and under staffed during each wave. Eventually, you would think that risky behavior with regard to Covid will start to show measurable Darwinian selection against the demographics that are not protecting themselves.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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