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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
Porkncheese
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Message 226 of 310 (890782)
01-10-2022 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Theodoric
01-10-2022 3:42 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
I am vaxed and boosted and getting out of COVID isolation tomorrow. My test came back last week positive. My symptoms were like a medium cold.
When the new booster comes out I will be in line for it.

Well its your choice and everyone should have that choice but did the vax work as they said it would... The article in the OP says it was 90% at preventing infection... Yet you got infected even after 3 doses...

The reason my symptoms were mild is because I am vaxed

Im hearing this kind of argument a lot but it is a fallacy because you cannot prove such. We don't know if your symptoms would of been better or worse without the jab.

Its like me saying, im unvaxed and had covid. It was like a mild cold that would of been worse if i had the jab.
It cannot be proven

Its a shift of the goal posts. Their original claim was that these injections would provide herd immunity, end the pandemic and bring life back to normal... That didn't happen so they fell back and said it lowers symptoms

Either way i wish the government would just leave us alone. Stop forcing by using coercion, blackmail, threats, bribery, ransom and such, these are all criminal offences. And stop discriminating against us. Leave us in peace cos we've done nothing wrong


In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth

"No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude"

"Its easier to fool, a man than to convince him he is being fooled"


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Theodoric
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Message 227 of 310 (890784)
01-10-2022 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
Well its your choice and everyone should have that choice

No it is a public health issue. Personal choices can and should be able to override personal choices. Can you let your sewage just run onto the ground or into waterways? No. Were vaccines mandated for a myriad of other diseases Yes. Is this the most tested vaccine of all time? Yes.
but did the vax work as they said it would

Yup. Sure did.
The article in the OP says it was 90% at preventing infection

Omicron changes that figure a little, but it is still high
yet you got infected even after 3 doses...

I see math and statistics are not your strong suit. Are you one of those that thought the 1/4 pounder at McDonalds was bigger than the 1/3 lb Whopper.

Im hearing this kind of argument a lot but it is a fallacy because you cannot prove such. We don't know if your symptoms would of
(the word you want here is have)
you been better or worse without the jab.
Its like me saying, im unvaxed and had covid. It was like a mild cold that would of been worse if i had the jab.
It cannot be proven

The overwhelming scientific evidence supports this conclusion. Science is not about proving, it is about showing what the evidence shows. 100's of millions of cases have shown that vaccinated people that get COVID have lessened symptoms and much better outcomes than unvaxed.

Its a shift of the goal posts.

No it isn't.
Their original claim was that these injections would provide herd immunity, end the pandemic and bring life back to normal...

This was dependent on 80+% getting the vaccine. People who care about themselves more than society as a whole. like you, prevented that from happening.
That didn't happen so they fell back and said it lowers symptoms

More lies. The scientific studies to authorize the vaccines themselves clearly talk about this. Just because you are too ignorant to understand science or read the original studies does not mean you were lied to. It just means you are ignorant.

Either way i wish the government would just leave us alone. Stop forcing by using coercion, blackmail, threats, bribery, ransom and such, these are all criminal offences. And stop discriminating against us. Leave us in peace cos we've done nothing wrong

There are rules to participate in society. If you don't follow them, you pay the consequence. Nothing the government has done is criminal and has been done in the past and the courts have agreed. Exercising your rights does not mean you are free from consequence.

Edited by Theodoric, : spelling


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Porkncheese
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Message 228 of 310 (890787)
01-10-2022 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Theodoric
01-10-2022 4:29 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
So why should we be discriminated against? We have done nothing wrong.
Especially seeing that i have natural immunity from covid

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Theodoric
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Message 229 of 310 (890801)
01-10-2022 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:40 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
You are not being discriminated against.
Discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of people because of their inherent differences. Not getting a vaccine is a personal choice. Things like ethnicity, age, sex, or disability are not.

Especially seeing that I have natural immunity from covid

The science(I know you hate scientific evidence) shows that your immunity is much less than the immunity imparted by the vaccine. I on the other hand will have super immunity for a while. Vaccined, boosted, and recovered from COVID is the gold seal of immunity. For a while.

She blinded me. With Science.

quote:
The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.

These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.



https://directorsblog.nih.gov/...s-differs-from-an-infection
But NIH lies right. Because, because, well just because.

quote:
This study found that among Kentucky residents who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, those who were unvaccinated against COVID-19 had significantly higher likelihood of reinfection during May and June 2021.

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

If you are more likely to get the disease you are more likely to infect someone else. Not getting the vaccine is sociopathic and inherently deadly for people that interact with you.
You anti-vaxers are also more likely to not get tested when sick, so you don't know you have it until you have passed it on to many people. If you catch it and kill someone may you rot in whatever hell you believe in.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tangle
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Message 230 of 310 (890803)
01-10-2022 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:40 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
PokiePie writes:

So why should we be discriminated against? We have done nothing wrong.

You have opted out of society so what do you expect? You're not being forced to be vaccinated, but not being has consequences which you have chosen.

Have you also opted out of COVID treatment if you need it?

Especially seeing that i have natural immunity from covid

You do not have immunity from COVID you have a declining immunity from serious COVID harm or death. You can and probably will catch it again and you may get seriously ill. Will you accept treatment?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Porkncheese
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Message 231 of 310 (890804)
01-10-2022 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Theodoric
01-10-2022 5:25 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
Oxford definition of Discrimination - the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people

It does not have to be inherent. Discrimination can be against people who choose things like religion, sexual orientation and gender.
So you argument is invalid. We are being discriminated against, persecuted and oppressed.
But i'll reword my question for you.

Why should our fundamental rights be attacked by not being able to work or go places? Why should we be punished when we've done nothing wrong?


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Porkncheese
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Message 232 of 310 (890805)
01-10-2022 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Tangle
01-10-2022 5:33 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
I haven't opted out of anything. They have taken us out of society for no reason but to force their needles.

So i ask again... Why should we be treated this way? We've done nothing wrong


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Message 233 of 310 (890807)
01-10-2022 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:42 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
Because your behavior is anti-social and detrimental to the general public.

You are quite simply a parasitic virus factory.


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Porkncheese
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Message 234 of 310 (890808)
01-10-2022 5:53 PM


"We took the risk now everyone else has to"
"We took the risk now everyone else has to"
Seems like the only reason why they want us to get jabbed. Im still to hear a logical argument.
Go vax yourselves and leave us alone cos we aren't harming anyone. The degradation of basic morals is astounding.
If the Chinese or Russians did this 3 yeras ago there would be international condemnation.
Now, after much cognitive dissonance, such atrocities are accepted in the name of covid which is nothing more than a mild flu like virus

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Porkncheese
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Message 235 of 310 (890811)
01-10-2022 5:58 PM
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01-10-2022 5:52 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
That is the lamest reason i ever heard... That is no reason to persecute people. This has nothing to do with anti-social and even if it was thats not a crime

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Theodoric
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Message 236 of 310 (890813)
01-10-2022 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:42 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
So now you want to use the fallacy of equivocation. By claiming discrimination you are discussing the legal aspect of the word. The legal aspect means prejudicial treatment as I explained. Discrimination, as you want to use it, is not illegal. Happens every day.
Why should our fundamental rights be attacked by not being able to work or go places?

See you want to use the legal definition. You are not being discriminated against. You are suffering legal consequences of your actions or inactions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 237 of 310 (890814)
01-10-2022 6:11 PM
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01-10-2022 5:53 PM


Re: "We took the risk now everyone else has to"
Where did you get this supposed quote from?
Who said it?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tangle
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Message 238 of 310 (890815)
01-10-2022 6:11 PM
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01-10-2022 5:46 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
PorkiePies writes:

I haven't opted out of anything.

You have opted out of the mass vaccination scheme which is there to protect society as a whole. Your choice. Your consequences.

I'll ask you again - third time - do you also elect to opt out of treatment should you get ill with COVID?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Theodoric
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Message 239 of 310 (890816)
01-10-2022 6:13 PM
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01-10-2022 5:58 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
You are not being persecuted.
definition
subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation or their political beliefs.

You freely chose to not get vaccinated and put people around you hat heightened risk. Too bad.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 240 of 310 (890823)
01-10-2022 6:29 PM
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01-10-2022 5:42 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
Why should our fundamental rights be attacked by not being able to work or go places?

Your fundamental rights are not being attacked.

Why should we be punished when we've done nothing wrong?

You are not being punished.

You have made choices, and those choices have consequences.

Choices always have consequences.

If you don't like the consequences, then make different choices.


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