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nwr
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Message 241 of 314 (890824)
01-10-2022 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:53 PM


Re: "We took the risk now everyone else has to"
Go vax yourselves and leave us alone cos we aren't harming anyone.

Fair enough.

But in order for you to not harm anyone, you must isolate yourself. That's a consequence of your choice.

The degradation of basic morals is astounding.

Try applying that to yourself.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 242 of 314 (890827)
01-10-2022 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 1:18 PM


Cheese writes
The jab does give you antibodies according to studies but their gone in 12 weeks so u need boosters. And you can still catch and spread it. Natural immunity is better

No, it is not. It can be good enough for most of your time and you can be carrying around an infectious disease without even knowing it for weeks. 85% is BETTER than your natural 45% for example. The vaccination numbers you mentioned are all either fabricated lies by the Q-rightwingers or just presented without context against the millions who have died without the vaccines. VAERS? Don't make me laugh. You need to fully arm yourself against this war, so to speak.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPREAD A POTENTIALLY FATAL DISEASE TO OTHERS

Get vaccinated, unless you are factually medically contraindicated, and, as always these days, Mask Up when near other people.

And if you are factually medically contraindicated, for heaven's sake get everyone around you to vaccinate and lower the chances that they would infect you. You should be terrified of the Unvaccinated.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 243 of 314 (890833)
01-10-2022 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
Cheese writes
Their original claim was that these injections would provide herd immunity, end the pandemic and bring life back to normal... That didn't happen so they fell back and said it lowers symptoms

No. The original claim was that if enough got vaccinated right then, something like 70% or more, then we'd get near herd immunity. BUT The Stupid USA populace, particularly Trumpers and Republicans, though, said "Oh yeah? MY FREEDUMBS, I ain't doin' that! You can't tell me what to do!" and we fell far short of 70% for the first 2-3 months when we had the chance. We are still under 60%. Hell, I haven't checked today's numbers. MEANWHILE, the COVID-19 virus keeps on mutating and making the vaccinations trying to hit a moving target. And the vaccinated do predominantly report reduced symptoms, if they report any. There are, as expected in a sample size of 330 millions, a few deaths.

With this country so obstinately stupid and stubborn and the internet making soapboxes cheaply available for any vicious fool to yell on, i'm sorry to say that we will never achieve "herd immunity".

ABE: About 74.4% of people in the US have received at least one COVID-19 shot. About 62.6% of people are fully vaccinated.
About 18.7% of the shots distributed haven't been used yet.


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- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Porkncheese
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Message 244 of 314 (890842)
01-10-2022 11:58 PM


I still haven't seen a valid explanation to why our rights are being attacked...
If the vaccine actually gave you immunity then you wouldn't have to worry about the unvaxed...
But we all know that you can still catch and spread covid just like the unvaxed...
So this apartheid is nonsense... Its just blackmail, coercion, criminal offences if anyone else does it

And all that when the data is showing us that the stupid syringes don't work...
Are you guys seriously happy with taking boosters every 3 months... If so then take it and leave us in peace

But you guys are well hypnotized... Turning on your fellow man for absolutely nothing... Communists...
I bet some of you would cheer on our incarceration as well... Better yet why not exterminate us...

The justification of criminal actions... The normalization of vax deaths and injury...
Cheering on the persecution and discrimination of people who have done nothing wrong... Not even the Germans did that... They ignored it
None of you have been able to tell me what ive done wrong

The denigration of societal morals is synonymous with societal collapse and thats what we are seeing...
Sexual deviation is another classic sign of collapse; Greece, the Minoans, Rome, Babylon. Faggotry, men with dresses, lesbiansism... Classic sign of collapse

We are seeing a mass formation psychosis... Its a cognitive dissonance en masse... It happened in the USSR, China, Germany not so long ago

This the collapse of western democracy. Plato said that democracy will always be taken by totalitarianism...
He was right. We've seen it in history and we are seeing it now on a global scale...
And many useful idiots are helping the communists


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Theodoric
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Message 245 of 314 (890843)
01-11-2022 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 11:58 PM


Plato said that democracy will always be taken by totalitarianism.

Source?
When Plato talked about democracy he was not talking about the type of democracy we have.
That is the only thing in oiur rant worth addressing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Porkncheese
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Message 246 of 314 (890845)
01-11-2022 12:06 AM


Meanwhile, where is the evidence to support the claim the experiment is working???

Highly vaxed nations are going through the roof higher than before the vax

These were the claims they made about the experimental shot
They said it would provide herd immunity - Refuted
They said it would end the pandemic - Refuted
They said it would get life back to normal - Refuted
They said it was 90% effective at preventing infection - Refuted
They said two doses would do the job - Refuted

None of the evidence is showing these vaccines are working like they said it would.
In fact it has made it worse as predicted by many experts.

So take your vaccines and leave us in peace instead of being communists


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Theodoric
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Message 247 of 314 (890847)
01-11-2022 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:06 AM


Do you even know what communists are?
That you attack people that way just shows you are not a serious debater. It exposes you as the troll you are.
Those points have been shown to be dishonest and inaccurate already. No point in pointing it out again.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 248 of 314 (890850)
01-11-2022 12:51 AM


Meanwhile all the rats that are invested

Justin Trudeau doesn't try to make excuses he tells it how it is

"Regardless of the fact that we are attacking your fundamental rights, we're still going to go ahead and do it"
"its a loophole that allows the majority to overwrite the fundamental rights of a minority"

His party has been all about protecting the rights of minorities... Now his attacking the rights of minority for nothing...
This is communism

Im wondering if some people know this is the collapse and want it to happen thinking there will be a utopia on the other side.
Either way this is global communist take over and many people are abetting it

The acceptance of censorship of free speech
The justification of human sacrifice
The normalization of discrimination, segregation, apartheid
The blind eye to crimes committed by the state

All traits that are synonymous with communism/fascism. It all happened in the USSR and China and Germany

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AZPaul3
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Message 249 of 314 (890851)
01-11-2022 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:51 AM


His party has been all about protecting the rights of minorities... Now his attacking the rights of minority for nothing...
This is communism.

Poor Pork. A politician disagrees with his reich-wing bullshit and THAT is his definition of communism.

This alone is enough to ignore anything else he says.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 250 of 314 (890852)
01-11-2022 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by AZPaul3
01-11-2022 1:00 AM


Your the type that would love to see us get exterminated i bet

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Porkncheese
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Message 251 of 314 (890854)
01-11-2022 1:15 AM


Hypnotized Hypochondriacs
They've brainwashed the masses and turned them all into weak snowflakes who are afraid of getting the sniffles...

Hypnotized Hypochondriacs

LoL... This generation is so weak... They need vaccines or else their weak soy bodies will die...
Signs of the documented low testosterone count in this generation... Men have become girls and girls have become men...
Afraid of a cough... Afraid of other people. LoL... Your fear is bringing the collapse of western civilization and the introduction of communism... World communism


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Message 252 of 314 (890856)
01-11-2022 3:11 AM


Wow, it's the full nutter rant. Homophobia, Bill Gates, microchips in the vaccination, communism, totalitarianism, persecution etc.

Probably owns an arsenal of guns, a lynch rope (just in case) and, of course, is a True Christian


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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AZPaul3
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Message 253 of 314 (890857)
01-11-2022 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 1:07 AM


Exterminated is such a final word.

How about sidelined, instead. Deep. Buried. Shouting in the aether with no sound.

Not eliminated as in killed, though you will bring that to us soon enough, but shown to be the flaming social sababeur you are and that anything you say, any position you take, is based on Reich-wing propaganda, nothing more.

Right wing extremists exploit covid-19

Eliminate as in to let everyone know science is not any part of your argument and the destruction of science is a major part of your goal.

You are not an honest broker in this forum. You're an arsonist here to set raging fires to terrorize society.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Percy
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Message 254 of 314 (890865)
01-11-2022 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 10:53 AM


Re: The NLMP point
Porkncheese writes:

Uhh no, i had a covid antibody test. Im immune

About you being immune? This is incorrect. We use the word "immune", but it's the wrong word. There's no such thing as immunity. Possessing antibodies merely means your body is already prepared to fight off an infection. Let me say this again. Antibodies don't prevent infection. What they do is stand ready to fight off infection. Possessing antibodies does not make you immune from infection.

Initial exposure to the coronavirus means it being inhaled into your sinuses or lungs. At this point you have no antibodies to fight the virus off, so until your body mounts an immune response the virus has free rein to attack cells at will. You might become very ill, you might not, depending upon the race between the virus making copies of itself that attack cells and your body's immune system mounting a response. Approximately 1% of exposed people lose that race and die.

If you're exposed to the virus and survive, or if you receive a vaccine, your body now possesses antibodies, which means that when virus are inhaled into the sinuses or lungs there are already antibodies there to fight them off. If there are sufficient antibodies you will not become ill. If there are insufficient antibodies then you will again become ill and once again there will be a race between viruses producing copies of themselves and the body producing more antibodies. Again, some people still lose this race, even though they had the advantage of beginning with antibodies already in their system.

Antibodies are not immortal. They diminish in concentration over time. Since your recovery from covid the number of covid antibodies in your system has been in decline, your ability to mount an instant response to infection diminishing and continuing to diminish. You are gradually becoming less and less able to mount a rapid response to a covid infection.

But your immune system does more than produce antibodies. It also produces memory T-cells that remember how to produce the antibodies for specific viruses. Even after your antibody levels have dropped to ineffective levels, the memory T-cells remain. When a new virus infection is detected then they quickly rebuild the machinery for producing the antibodies for that virus, and your body's immune system is up and running and producing antibodies far faster than when it encountered the virus for the first time.

As I said upfront, "immune" is the wrong word. There is no such thing as immunity. The antibodies that you possess cannot make viruses bounce off your body. Viruses can still infect your sinuses and lungs just as easily as someone with no antibodies. Your advantage lies in your body's ability to immediately attack the viruses, hopefully so effectively that you never even know you were reinfected.

But you have fewer antibodies today than yesterday, and you'll have fewer tomorrow. The goal of vaccines and boosters is to keep people's immune systems locked and loaded against the virus so that infections severe enough to make people infectious are minimized, eventually turning the virus from a global scourge into a minor nuisance.

--Percy


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Theodoric
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Message 255 of 314 (890868)
01-11-2022 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:51 AM


Can you define communism?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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