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Porkncheese
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Message 46 of 104 (884860)
03-10-2021 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Tangle
03-10-2021 2:55 PM


Here is an admission from the FDA of the side effects from the covid vaccines

And here is the data from the CDC regarding the total adverse reactions that have been reported.

My prediction is that you won't accept the truth. It will make you so angry that you will probably resort to slander


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Tangle
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Message 47 of 104 (884868)
03-11-2021 3:30 AM
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03-10-2021 8:30 PM


PnC writes:

My prediction is that you won't accept the truth.

Shock news, vaccines have side effects! About 10% of people get an adverse reaction to a vaccine. I'd like you to defend this statement of yours please

quote:
Its a known fact that some people will have a severe reaction to the vaccines including lifelong disability and death...

It should be easy. Just in my country over 20 million people have been vaccinated. Please find me death and long-term disability rates.

Bear in mind that almost 130,000 people here have already died from COVID here and considerably more are suffering long-term problems.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 48 of 104 (884869)
03-11-2021 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 8:30 PM


And here is an extract from the CDC's own website:

Over 92 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 8, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,637 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

Here is the link: COVID-19 and Your Health

Read the penultimate sentence of the quotation. Now, how do you square that with your claim that the data from CDC show 5.5%, or 1,095 deaths ?

Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Porkncheese
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Message 49 of 104 (884886)
03-11-2021 4:12 PM
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03-11-2021 3:30 AM


First, you berated me for telling the truth that some people have adverse reactions. You asked for evidence of this as if you didn't know only for you to finally acknowledge it...
So then why did u berate me in the first place? Are the facts uncomfortable for you? And why ask to see the evidence if you already knew? You're just being difficult and trying to avoid my point...

How about trying to address my point which is that it is unethical to sell a dangerous product without warning. And it is criminal to be exempt from liability.
I can't think of any other industry that is allowed to operate in such an immoral fashion... Can you?


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Message 50 of 104 (884887)
03-11-2021 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Porkncheese
03-11-2021 4:12 PM


Because you are a liar; a typical Christian Cult of ********* liar.

The adverse effects have been noted and published and announced and discussed. There were no warnings that were not provided.

It's lying idiots like you that make Biblical Christianity look like such a Cult of Stupidity and **********.


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AZPaul3
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Message 51 of 104 (884900)
03-12-2021 11:38 AM


I know. Bare links.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

  
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Message 52 of 104 (884901)
03-12-2021 11:50 AM
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03-11-2021 4:12 PM


Porkncheese writes:

I can't think of any other industry that is allowed to operate in such an immoral fashion... Can you?


The Internet. They're allowed to present all kinds of garbage to poison people like you.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 53 of 104 (884907)
03-12-2021 3:25 PM
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03-12-2021 11:50 AM


Don't forget Christianity. It too is allowed to promote total fantasy as though it were factual and without any warning that the Bible causes more deaths than Covid-19 or the vaccine.

My Website: My Website

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Message 54 of 104 (884930)
03-15-2021 9:32 AM


United States Covid Efforts Among Worst in World
Here is a chart from Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center showing how poor the US efforts against the covid-19 virus compared to the rest of the world using deaths per hundred thousand as the measure. Only four countries did worse than us: Czechia, United Kingdom, Hungary and Italy:

Here's some countries that did better: Bulgaria, Mexico, Brazil, Poland and India. Russia did better, too, but their numbers are widely viewed skeptically.

--Percy


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Message 55 of 104 (884934)
03-15-2021 10:59 AM
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03-15-2021 9:32 AM


Re: United States Covid Efforts Among Worst in World
Was it really our efforts (policy adoptions) that were so poor or was it trying to implement those efforts in a society that largely didn't care all that much?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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jar
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Message 56 of 104 (884968)
03-17-2021 3:27 PM


Baby steps
Finally got my 1st Pfizer shot today when someone canceled an appointment. The second shot is scheduled for April 8th.

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Message 57 of 104 (884969)
03-17-2021 3:40 PM
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03-15-2021 9:32 AM


Re: United States Covid Efforts Among Worst in World
I am skeptical about the India numbers too

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Message 58 of 104 (884970)
03-17-2021 4:20 PM
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03-17-2021 3:27 PM


Re: Baby steps
Same dates, same times, but Moderna instead of Pfizer.

I think either one provides temporary immunity against anti-vaxers.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 59 of 104 (884971)
03-17-2021 4:28 PM
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03-17-2021 4:20 PM


Re: Baby steps
Well, it will be interesting.

I hope their is no truth to the rumor that the Moderna vaccine causes one to adopt all the 'Q' alternate facts.

We will all be watching you for signs of such side effects.

And say Hi to the not so little one from me.


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Message 60 of 104 (884975)
03-17-2021 7:15 PM


Dosey Doe, I got my 2nd dose!
My 1st dose was a 2 hour wait but today, 5 minutes for the shot and paperwork then 15 minute safety wait and I was done. Getting the vaccine was the closest contact my wife and I have had with other people since February 2020.

Now my understanding is, the Gates microchips i received will reconstruct my eyes so that I no longer need to use telescopes or microscopes to see distant subjects or ultra small subjects. Not only that, I can also stream Pink Floyd right in to my auditory nerves!

After a year+ of pandemic we can look back (and forward) and say 2020 and 2021 were the most disastrous years in human history and certainly in American history. America has been telling themselves how wonderful and superior our system is but in 2020 our wonderful government, under Trump, clearly demonstrated that they could not organize, lead or govern. 2020 showed us just how completely the republicans in the Whitehouse and Congress since 1981 have fucked up our government's ability to respond to any crisis.

I have a dream of the next pandemic except this virus has a 3 week incubation and is 95% lethal after a month long illness. This virus could be stopped with masks, but Trump voters are afraid of masks, and then I wake up sweating.

And on top of the fucking pandemic lots of other bad shit happened in the last 15 months too, but I'm cautiously optimistic that I will be able to resume my projects this spring and summer. I will mourn all those we have lost...


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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