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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
PaulK
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Message 106 of 143 (887575)
08-10-2021 3:12 PM
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08-10-2021 2:41 PM


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Before 2019 it was widely known that vaccines that don't kill the virus can make it mutate into stronger variants.

I think you mean vaccines which only protect against the symptoms - which is not the case of any of the COVID vaccines available.

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Since vaccinated people can still carry and transmit the virus, I would say this is most likely true.

That’s pretty much true of every vaccine, so it doesn’t seem especially likely to be a problem with these,

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So what does the vaccine actually solve? In the long run more people may die.

The massive reduction in hospitalisations alone saves lives. The reduced number of infections slows the spread. And fewer infected people means less risk of catching the disease - and fewer mutations in the virus. It’s the unvaccinated who are the problem.

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We are being told to vaccinate to "stop the virus" ~Dr.Fauci
This seems to be a lie.

The rise of the Delta variant may have made it impossible to stop the virus right now, but vaccination is still a good thing.

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Sounds like a money making machine to me.

Sounds like the lies of someone who wants people to die.


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Message 107 of 143 (887576)
08-10-2021 3:33 PM
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08-10-2021 2:41 PM


riverrat writes:

90% protection of what?

Cats

Before 2019 it was widely known that vaccines that don't kill the virus can make it mutate into stronger variants. Since vaccinated people can still carry and transmit the virus, I would say this is most likely true. So what does the vaccine actually solve? In the long run more people may die.

I think it widely known that bleach kills the virus. Drink plenty.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


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Message 108 of 143 (887580)
08-10-2021 5:50 PM
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08-10-2021 2:41 PM


Enqoyism loves a good joke!

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 109 of 143 (887581)
08-10-2021 6:44 PM
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08-10-2021 2:41 PM


Um, vaccines don't kill viruses, they build up a person's immune systems defenses so it can kill the virus. Are you really this ignorant or are you just being a troll?

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Message 110 of 143 (887584)
08-11-2021 10:11 AM
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08-10-2021 3:12 PM


And Forbes takes down the nonsense.

The essential points are as I said.

The situation is different.

Most of the virus evolution - including the emergence of the Delta variant - is taking place in the unvaccinated.

And, another point:

Vaccine development doesn’t stand still. If we need new vaccines they can be produced. It even worked for the chickens - the whole claim is based on a study of chickens - so it can certainly work for us.


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Message 111 of 143 (887622)
08-15-2021 2:38 PM


ED and COVID
It appears COVID also causes erectile dysfunction.

Erectile Dysfunction Risk 6 Times Higher in Men With COVID

Perhaps headline should read "Stupid losers lose ability to reproduce." At least it means less anti-vaxxers.

Edited by anglagard, : missing letter


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Message 112 of 143 (887623)
08-15-2021 3:02 PM
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Re: ED and COVID
anglagard writes:

Perhaps headline should read "Stupid losers lose ability to reproduce." At least it means less anti-vaxxers.


Natural selection in action.

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Message 113 of 143 (887624)
08-15-2021 5:39 PM


let them eat cake
Back up to new infection daily numbers higher than anything this year. More hospital beds filled with Covid-19 cases than at anytime since August of last year. Most ICU beds filled with Covid-19 cases since last year.

It's time to recognize that no one who has not been vaccinated against Covid-19 should be allowed on any public transportation, in any public store or workplace, in any school or government building and that anyone showing signs of Covid-19 infection who cannot produce verifiable evidence of being vaccinated should not be allowed hospital admittance if there is another non-Covid-19 patient.

There should be NO religious or philosophical exemptions and any applications for medical exemptions should require independent second opinions and verification.

No one should be required to get a Covid vaccine but there is no possible excuse for allowing such people into the general population.

Edited by jar, : more ---> most


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Message 114 of 143 (887626)
08-15-2021 7:04 PM
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08-15-2021 5:39 PM


Re: let them eat cake
This would not be a problem if we just shot ‘em. Serious. Just give it to them.

Send out well supplied parties, lasso the ornery scum, wrestle them to the ground and give ‘em the jab.

Unfortunately, with the mentality of stupid we are dealing with, so many of them would go home and cut off their own arms to stop the dreaded vaccine from getting to their heart and lodging the Gates Tracking Chip leaving severed arms dumped all across Trump land.

That would make it easier to id the Nazis, for sure (they need only the one arm to salute with anyway) but I don’t think the courts would go for it and the stench of all those discarded arms would not be good. Maybe we shouldn’t do that.


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Message 115 of 143 (887867)
08-24-2021 9:57 AM


How Effective Are the Vaccines?
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State compares hospitalization rates and death rates of the vaccinated against the unvaccinated for 38 states and D.C. but doesn't roll the figures up into an average. There's wide variation between the individual states. For example, if you're unvaccinated then you're only 17 times more likely to be hospitalized for covid-19 in Alaska, but 185 times more likely in Texas. And you're only 7 times more likely to die of covid-19 in Indiana, but 85 times more likely in Texas.

I rolled these numbers up into an average. Across these 38 states and D.C., if you're unvaccinated then you're 42 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 21 times more likely to die.

Unfortunately the figures were gathered before July when the Delta variant became dominant. Perhaps someone knows of a website that has figures for the period after Delta became dominant.

-Percy


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Message 116 of 143 (887868)
08-24-2021 11:05 AM
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Re: How Effective Are the Vaccines?
Home - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

I have been using the Johns Hopkins site. It has lots of data including hospitalization by county. I'm using it to help plan a road trip to Chicago and northern Wisconsin starting this weekend. Camping and avoiding people most of the way. Our friends in Chicago are tested multiple times a week, and are vaccinated and wear masks on campus. Our main worry is the possibility of needing emergency medical care with many hospitals at capacity, but that same problem is happening here at home too.

The 4th wave of the Covid Intelligence Test is in full swing with the 5th, 6th, and 7th tests waiting in the wings.


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Message 117 of 143 (887872)
08-24-2021 1:00 PM
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08-24-2021 11:05 AM


Re: How Effective Are the Vaccines?
The situation isn't great around Chicago. But it isn't real bad either. I don't think there's a hospital overcrowding issue. I'm not sure about Wisconsin.

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Message 118 of 143 (887874)
08-24-2021 2:39 PM


In Hidalgo County Texas with a 2020 Census count of 870,781 (the figures are really a total joke. They show that over half of the White population left the county) there are only 65 empty hospital beds total.

There was a major systemic effort by the Trump supporters in the county to encourage people NOT to respond to this census. As a result the new figures show 55.9% fewer white classification respondents. Over 300,000 fewer white classification respondents were found in this census so it was NOT a matter of other classifications increasing significantly and over 200,000 of those respondents were in the 18 year old and older classification.

Every other classification did show increases.

But the numbers simply make the reality even worse. It's almost certain that half of the white population did not leave Hidalgo County so the 65 empty hospital beds figure looks even worse than the census numbers would show.


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Message 119 of 143 (887875)
08-24-2021 3:13 PM


Here in Orlando (and also Winter Park, FL) our hospitals are overflowing with Covid patients, so many of which need oxygen to breath that the local water utility can't get the liquid oxygen it needs to generate ozone to purify our drinking water. They are talking about possibly having to put out a boil water alert to the entire city soon if they can't get more oxygen deliveries! Of course the vast majority of the patients are unvaccinated, sigh!

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Message 120 of 143 (887877)
08-24-2021 6:38 PM
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08-24-2021 3:13 PM


They won't take the public health advice to wear masks or get vaccinated, but they'll boil water?

--Percy


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