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Taq
Member Posts: 10302 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 7.0
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Message 5 of 895 (883862)
01-15-2021 4:49 PM
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What George Said
George Carlin was the king of this genre.
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Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! --George Carlin
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Taq
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Message 48 of 895 (883951)
01-19-2021 5:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
01-16-2021 2:10 AM
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Re: First Videos
Phat writes: If he cant show respect for freedom of religion (and religious texts) then why he expects me to tiptoe around his definition of offensive speech rings hollow. It is rather disappointing when theists aren't capable of understanding the difference between freedom of religion and freedom from ridicule. One is a real human right and one is not.
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Taq
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mike the wiz writes: Conclusion; even if you presented things against religious people and called it stupidity, it wouldn't follow that any specific religious person could be included in that evaluation anyway. I know some really smart people, and some of them believe in stupid things. For example, I know a really good infectious disease doctor who also believes in the healing power of magnets. Really smart guy, but believes in some really stupid BS.
So ironically the stupidity of false theisms is actually atheist to the real God so those stupidities are actually atheist in terms of a Christian perspective because from our perspective you either are born again and have the spirit of God or you do not. We are all quite sure that you can only show us one birth certificate for yourself, and many of us still think is rather interesting that people believe they have a spirit that lives within their body. From where we sit, the only reason you think your religious beliefs are different from others is that you belong to that one religion.
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Taq
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mike the wiz writes: In terms of the term, "atheist" that's an inherently advantageous descriptor. But that's not for any clever thing you have done as an atheist. No, you are simply presented with a more advantageous position because you cannot be associated with any other beliefs. I believe that puppys are cute, chocolate ice cream is better than vanilla, country western music is just pop with a twang, and Sting is the most original song writer of the 1980's. I have beliefs.
mike the wiz writes: HOWEVER, if materialism is ultimately false like say Islan or the Greek gods or Thor or whatever then obviously we would put "atheism" on the list under, "fiction". We think it is rather entertaining that your best argument is just to pretend you are right.
What you do is you LUMP people into two categories, and you basically venerate and exalt one category (atheism) and in the other group you LUMP all of the negative traits. I venerate clever, whitty, and intelligent people. There are atheists that I loathe, and theists that I have great respect for even if I think their beliefs are silly. I am also entertained by a post filled to the brim with atheist stereotypes that complains about atheists using stereotypes.
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Taq
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mike the wiz writes: But the problem is what group are you? I am in the fallible human group, along with you.
But how do you know you are not an idiot for believing a homochiral polymer of amino acids could avoid hydrolysis somehow, and create itself into a folding protein over time and get together with some other pals such as the organelles in a cell and machinery, and become a cell. Because I see it happening all of the time in cell culture.
For example would anyone really believe the giant squid was anything more than something from a monster movie had it not been found? Has anyone seen God's body wash up on shore?
So you are missing the problem of epistemology. What can be known. With atheism how can you not conflate genuine ignorance with the negative? For example if wwe are right and the Lord does exist and His spirit is in us, we do have eternal life, have experienced the miraculous etc.....how can you know that your own perspective of looking at it and thinking it ridiculous is actually not a symptom of your own personal ignorance? Again, we think it is entertaining when you think you can prove yourself right by simply proclaiming yourself to be right.
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Taq
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mike the wiz writes: None-answer really. You DESIRE to be intellectual but are stopped and revert back to the "we" crap, as though majority decides something. But your assertions don't prove a thing, you just believe they do because you are, and I quote, "fallible" but have told yourself you are superior being in the non-Christian group. Your pretend mind-reading abilities are also entertaining.
Oh Taq, you surely know you are only fooling yourself by stating this inaccurate thing. It isn't inaccurate. I see DNA replicated, RNA trascribed, proteins translated, and the interaction of all these processes which forms a new cell, right in cell culture. If this didn't happen there would only be one cell in the whole world.
The thing about evidence is you have to make sure it would follow. With your example it's an example of an argument called a RIGGED DICE. You use and abuse hindsight to think of a piece of evidence for God existing full well knowing it doesn't exist, then you request that particular piece of evidence. You are the one who offered giant squid as the model for evidence, not me. The rigged dice are of your making.
You can collectively agree that is what I am doing as an argumentum ad populum fallacy but you haven't shown how I am wrong in anyway whatsoever by barely asserting that I am only proclaiming myself to be right. Ever heard of the burden of proof? You are the one who claims God exists, so the burden of proof lies with you. As Hitch said, claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I provided reasonings and arguments as to why I am right. All you said is "If God exists then you are wrong". That's not a reasoned argument.
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Taq
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mike the wiz writes: So this was an easy win. Basically I answered all posts and didn't get any proper answers back, nobody addressed anything. "Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."--Scott D. Weitzenhoffer Mikes argument of the day? "If I am right then you are wrong. Ha, I win."
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Message 192 of 895 (884808)
03-08-2021 5:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 188 by Phat
03-08-2021 1:27 PM
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Re: Compromise.
Phat writes: Thanks, AZPaul3. Ive actually listened to a few of the Way Of The Mister episodes myself and will say that the guy makes some logical arguments. More "logical" than many of the apologists who begin (as do I) with the initial premise that God exists and then attempt to defend it. I am finding out that it is hard to do and that a loyal critical thinker would be unafraid to "throw God away" in the pursuit of truth. It may be better to start from a position of faith and discard the idea that belief in God is logical (at least in a formal sense). That isn't to say that your beliefs are false, only that they aren't logical.
Which leads me now to believe that critical thinkers never settle for any absolute...they keep on going. So a question: IS IT POSSIBLE TO BE A BELIEVER AND A STRONG CRITICAL THINKER? Yes, just as long as the strong critical thinker isn't critical of everything they believe. We aren't computers or Vulcans. We are humans. Being human means believing in irrational and illogical things at times. This is why I respect peoples' religious beliefs, even if I don't believe them myself. We are all human, and part of being human is picking your own path through life. I celebrate the fact that we live in a pluralist society that supports and defends religious freedoms. Where the wires get crossed up is when theists come to us atheists and tell us that there are logical and rational arguments for the existence of their deity. When you see one eyebrow raise you will know that you are in for an intellectual tussle. If theists come to me and say something similar to what jar says above, I ask them if I can buy them a beer and start talking about the local ball team.
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Message 829 of 895 (904970)
01-13-2023 12:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 828 by Theodoric
01-13-2023 11:37 AM
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Re: Words have meaning
Theodoric writes: Learn the meaning of words before you use them. Another good term to learn when watching Christian apologetics YouTube videos.
Psychological Projection
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Taq
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Message 834 of 895 (904987)
01-13-2023 3:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 832 by Phat
01-13-2023 2:58 PM
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Re: Words have meaning
Phat writes: Study of apologetics has enhanced my world view and thinking process, exposing deficiencies as well as strengths. In this case, the Christian apologist is projecting his own beliefs onto the atheist. Since the Christian apologist is trying to defend religious doctrines the apologist assumes the atheist is doing the same, which they are not. Atheism is not a religion and has no doctrines.
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Taq
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Message 836 of 895 (904992)
01-13-2023 4:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 835 by Phat
01-13-2023 3:59 PM
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Re: Words have meaning
Phat writes: I would assert that atheism in general defends secular humanism as a superior worldview. It doesn't. Atheism is just the lack of belief in deities. That's it. An atheist can reject secular humanism and still be an atheist. If the title said something about a secular humanist apologist it might be closer to the truth, but even then secular humanism is not a religion nor does it have religious doctrines.
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