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Tangle
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Message 67 of 895 (883972)
01-20-2021 3:07 AM


Bye Mike, feel free to drop back in anytime to cheer us all up with your crazed pseudo-logic and fake humility.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

  
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Message 93 of 895 (884244)
02-01-2021 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Phat
01-31-2021 3:04 PM


Re: Freedom of Speech vs Harmful Speech
Phat writes:
My belief is no mere superstition.
You believe in primitive iron-age myths of ghosts and miracles. Of course it's a superstition. But it's laced with politics and power and the all very human manipulation of others.
If I catch your "kid" in a dark alley I shall freely and boldly share my faith and you and an army of liberal activists wont stop me.
And there you have it.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 108 of 895 (884407)
02-16-2021 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
02-16-2021 10:55 AM


Re: The Problem Of Evil
Why is it necessary to have any concept at all of right and wrong in a god made world? Without the concept of wrong, there's no concept of right. And vice-versa. Everybody just gets along.
God seemed perfectly able to do it in Eden and presumably heaven.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 115 of 895 (884450)
02-20-2021 3:23 AM


The thinking goes
God made everything
We've got suffering
Therefore suffering is necessary
We now need to make up a reason why the daft bastard did it this way.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 125 of 895 (884521)
02-23-2021 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Phat
02-22-2021 3:41 PM


Re: Guest Pastor
quote:
Many of you will ask incredulously what Craig(WLC) feels is so unreasonable about logic, reason, and "reality"...while I myself will go so far as to suggest that reality is not always as it appears and that just because you guys have never found ANY Objective evidence concerning a (supernatural) spiritual realm it DOES exist...I've experienced it.
  —Phat
Why have you experience it but billions of others haven't? Why are you special and I'm not? Why would a fair god reveal himself to you and not the Hindu, given that the stakes are our everlasting souls?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 128 of 895 (884524)
02-23-2021 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Phat
02-23-2021 7:02 AM


Re: Guest Pastor
quote:
I believe that every soul will get an opportunity...likely in ways that none of us would even imagine.
  —Phat
That's no answer is it? The fact is you have had the revelation and others have not.
quote:
I dont think that anyone is more special than anyone else, but the issue here is simply why some people understand a concept/belief before others do. That does not make them any smarter favored, or chosen.
What you believe is irrelevant, the fact is you were chosen to be given the revelation and Mrs Jones wasn't. Why?
quote:
What I won't do is speculate that God likely does not exist.
Then you can't learn. All you're actually prepared to do is accept information you already agree with.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 131 of 895 (884530)
02-23-2021 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Phat
02-23-2021 7:26 AM


Re: Guest Pastor
quote:
I stick by my belief that the supernatural will come out of the closet and that Christians will get stronger.
  —Phat
The Jews have been waiting for that to happen longer than the Christians. It's just more self-importance that not only are you chosen personally while billions of others aren't, but also that all this other stuff will happen in YOUR lifetime that hasn't happened in all those years.
quote:
They will also become more hated.
No they won't Phat. No one but you fundies care about your stuff. So long as you get on doing whatever you do quietly and don't bother the rest of us, we simply don't care.
What will happen is what is happening, your religion will moderate and fade, that's all. It'll gradually die out like it's doing all over the modern world.
quote:
(No, its not a martyr complex...it appears to be shaping up this way)
It is a martyr complex. But without the martyrdom, just a part of your self-importance and apocalyptical thinking.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 137 of 895 (884540)
02-23-2021 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Phat
02-23-2021 1:53 PM


Re: Get on doing whatever you do quietly
quote:
I know that you believe this and can see why you do believe it. It makes more logical and rational sense.
  —Phat
It makes sense but more importantly it's measurably and objectively happening and has been for a couple of hundred years.
quote:
The problem that I have with it is that you treat all religion(s) the same. Religion may be a human construct. Jesus Christ is not.
Says Phat. Talk to a Jew, a Hindu, or other religious zealot and he'll tell you that his god is real not yours.
quote:
Even if I turned out to be another Loon, I would prefer that rather than for all of us to be tragically wrong.
Live a life in error, just in case eh? To coin a phrase ,"sad".

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 219 of 895 (885074)
03-21-2021 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Phat
03-21-2021 9:52 AM


Re: A Horseman Cometh
Phat writes:
So I bet you think I think he is in hell, right? Actually were I God, I would love to personally adopt Christopher and take a long walk with Him in the great beyond
But, according to your belief system, he is going to hell isn't he?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 224 of 895 (885094)
03-22-2021 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Phat
03-22-2021 11:20 AM


Re: A Horseman Cometh
Phat writes:
Depends who you ask
Exactly.
I will say this much. Hell, if hell exists is a place where free will that rejects God even after meeting Him will (must) reside.
Depends who you ask.
Hell was never created for humans. It is a place where rebellious spirits must end up...since the universe(multiverse?) belongs to God and will where His loving judgement and edicts reign.
Depends who you ask.
God is giving all of us the timeframe and opportunity to choose.
Depends who you ask.
Thing is Phat, you can make up anything at all about this god can't you? It just depends who you ask.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 226 of 895 (885098)
03-22-2021 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Phat
03-22-2021 3:05 PM


Re: A Horseman Cometh
Phat writes:
The excuses and explanations may all be relative but the truth is absolute.
Except you have absolutely no clue what this 'truth' is have you? Because 'it depends' (on what you believe).
I can ask a thousand people and it wont matter. They all wont be right.
And yet, you know that YOU are right (and they know that they are right). Why doesn't that 'depend' too?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 295 of 895 (885582)
04-19-2021 11:43 AM


One of the strongest demonstrations of the power of suggestion and charismatic leaders was that video someone showed here about the guy that could knock people over without touching them. Anyone know where that video is?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 299 of 895 (885586)
04-19-2021 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by Tangle
04-19-2021 11:43 AM


That's the one I think

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 302 of 895 (885589)
04-19-2021 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by PaulK
04-19-2021 1:02 PM


Re: Unseen Battles
quote:
No, we’re talking about imaginary powers versus fighting skills. The guy waves his hands at his pupils, they go flying. He waves his hands at an MMA fighter and nothing happens. Where do spirits come into it? They certainly aren’t obvious.
It's the faith healer/ demon extractor thing. Phat thinks it's impressive. It's all very easily explained by either fakery or the power of the human brain to believe something dumb really strongly.
The fighters believed - or were faking - that the MMA guy could knock them over without touching them. The fighter actually believed it too. So it all worked. But it all turned to shit when he met someone without that dumb belief.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 326 of 895 (885750)
04-25-2021 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 317 by Phat
04-25-2021 7:09 AM


Re: Long Strange Trips From Long Ago
Phat writes:
I dont think the 1-15 acid and mushroom trips I took ever had long term effects on my mental health today,
Maybe not, but they do cast a lot of light on the experience you said you had when you originally got convinced of this god stuff by seeing/talking to JC.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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