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Message 675 of 895 (895185)
06-13-2022 2:24 AM 		Reply to: Message 672 by Phat
06-12-2022 6:57 PM

Re: Whose Money Is It Anyway?
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Why should I listen to The suggestions or commands of a character limited to a book. )(according to you).
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Because you profess to believe in the book, the man and what he says. It's not me saying you have to do it, I just quoted directly from what Jesus says in the book you say you believe in.
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But it's obvious from what you actually do rather than what you say, that you do not believe it at all.
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To me he's a fictional character in a book, but you tell us that he's real, not only then but also now. Yet you don't do what he says you must do. The only interpretation is that you don't believe in him either.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 679 of 895 (895204)
06-14-2022 3:29 PM 		Reply to: Message 677 by Phat
06-14-2022 2:33 PM

Re: Whose Money Is It Anyway?
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I believe that He wants me to be a cheerful giver and not begrudging or of necessity.
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You believe only what suits you. But you can't deny his words.
(Actually you DO deny his words, that's why you don't actually believe in him.)
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The "certain" rich young ruler was aware that he lacked something. I do not feel that way
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You can rationalise all you want, that's not your Jesus's teaching is it?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 707 of 895 (895474)
07-02-2022 6:05 AM 		Reply to: Message 706 by Phat
07-01-2022 3:20 PM

Re: Giving It ALL up to Whom?
Phat writes:
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What puzzles me is how you claim on the one hand that Jesus wants us to give it ALL up and yet reassure me that I wouldn't be homeless. It takes money to pay rent.And would Jesus not allow us to have a car?
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Jesus would make sure that if you did what he says, one way or another you'd be fine.
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Or don't you believe in Jesus?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 713 of 895 (895480)
07-02-2022 4:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 710 by Phat
07-02-2022 2:56 PM

Re: Giving It ALL up to Whom?
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I don't doubt that Jesus is real. I doubt whether I have the guts to take the plunge.
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You're saying that you believe in an idea but not enough to believe that's it's actually true. That's fair enough, that's sane. But you know, there's a cock crowing isn't there?
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And I'm certain that He understands my weakness and my reluctance. He is not a static character in a book who has given all of us marching orders and disqualifies anyone who is not all-in.
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You must know that this is just an excuse? You know what he wants of you but you don't do it because it's obviously mad. Your belief is bounded by your own reality. I don't blame you at all, it's perfectly human, as is believing (a bit) in fantasy saviours.
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You guys can scoff and believe what you want. None of you even believe that He once existed. Fewer still believe that He is alive today eternally.
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What we believe is irrelevant isn't it?
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And you find it incredible that I don't fully trust myself in regards to listening.
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No, not at all. You'd be utterly stupid to follow his teachings that way. We're just pointing out that your belief isn't actually very convincing even to yourself. It's a convenience.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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07-03-2022 4:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 715 by Phat
07-03-2022 3:47 PM

Re: Giving It ALL up to Whom?
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As for Jesus, I pray He does not give up on me for my refusal to trust Him with all I have.
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Jesus and what he wants of you is an afterthought isn't it? Secondary to all your real-world fantasy bollox of governments, money, liberals, apocalyptic thinking etc etc.
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Praying is the escape, the cop-out for lack of real belief. Praying doesn't excuse you Phat.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 726 of 895 (895572)
07-06-2022 3:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 722 by Phat
07-05-2022 1:52 PM

Re: A few videos that No one will watch
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Tangle, I know that you often chide me for preaching Doom. I dont mean to be negative---only realistic. I peruse hundreds of You Tube videos...most of which I dont agree with. Some of the ones that I think are quite plausible are shared with you here. None of them are religious. And I think that all of them are backed by science. If anyone either watches some of the content or the transcripts, feel free to comment. I doubt you will be able to prove that these videos are not plausible.
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Do you think it's healthy to spend so much time searching out disaster movies? You're just sinking into self-focused madness.
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Nothing's changed Phat. The chance of an asteroid wiping out civilisation is the same as it has been for millions of years. There's nothing you can do about it except follow the teachings of the guy you profess to believe in or, like all the rest of us, just make the best of the life you have now.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 862 of 895 (911860)
07-28-2023 6:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 861 by Phat
07-28-2023 6:50 AM

Re: Premature Conclusions
Some of us think for ourselves Phat.
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You've heard me - and others - tell you many, many times that we've had the same beliefs as you, then worked out that it was a load of old toffee - AGAINST what others were telling us. This is playground stuff Phat.
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When you make shit up, can you please restrict it to your own beliefs. You just continue to make yourself look daft.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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