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Tangle Member Posts: 8089 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
Except you have absolutely no clue what this 'truth' is have you? Because 'it depends' (on what you believe).
And yet, you know that YOU are right (and they know that they are right). Why doesn't that 'depend' too? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5726 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Something a little different.
This is Prof. Joseph Campbell of myth and legend fame. His studies on how/why humans have myths, their meanings, but more importantly, their reflecting/shaping of the human psyche on everything from morals to cosmic truths, are legendary and respected the world over. Three small videos. Less than 15 min total. The local moral custom
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 15104 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
![]() ![]() I like Joseph Campbell by the way...he is a polished humanist. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member Posts: 33256 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.6 |
As usual. But what is absolutely necessary is to explain why it is wrong. My Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 15104 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 15104 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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I believe: As to why I believe these things, all I can say is that I am intuitive. Whether I am right or not remains to be seen. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member Posts: 33256 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.6 |
But none of those are reasoned arguments Phat.
You keep using that word, I don't think you know what it means. What is a relativist and why is it wrong?
You keep using that word, I don't think you know what it means. What is a human-centrist paradigm and where else could a religion have any value?
Why is even one needed? What does need have to do with reality? Why isn't there just one God described in the Bible? Why is the God of Genesis 1 different than the God of Genesis 2&3?
LOL Why?
And there you go off into utter fantasy yet again. Who other then the CCoI has ever said to trust in anyone's vain imaginations? In all the years you've been here Phat has anyone ever suggested not trusting vain imaginations but rather to look at the actual evidence? Edited by jar, : her ----> here My Website: My Website
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5726 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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That is what the man said. And no one has any justifiable rational reason to suppose otherwise.
Yes, he is very much the buddha. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 15104 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
From Vocabulary.com:
quote:Thats the definition that I thought it was. IF: GOD exists. I happen to believe that the concept is false. That's about as far as I can argue. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5726 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
1. God
2. Jesus = God 3. Through Jesus ALL things were created There is no connection to relativity. How does relativity get negated when it is not a stated part anywhere in your sillygizm? And even then, what makes you think god/jesus/creating didn't make relative things? or make things relative? Your syllogism, Phat, is ... bad. Way bad. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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jar Member Posts: 33256 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.6
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But what you claim is NOT what the Bible says.
No where in the Bible is there even a hint that your second or third assertion are true. To add to the errors there is nothing in the first three assertions that has anything to do with relativism. What you have presented is NOT a reasoned argument. My Website: My Website
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nwr Member Posts: 5671 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 8.3
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What amuses me is that the strongest opponents of relativism (typically fundie preachers) are so obviously relativists themselves.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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ringo Member Posts: 18930 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 4.0
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On the conrtary, you have described yourself exactly as infallible. You trust infallibly that you have the right spirit dialled in.
Of course it does. Doubt is the foundation of all rational thought. You can't reason without reliable premises and reliability must be tested.
It's not a retreat. It's a stronghold. It's the high ground. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 15104 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
In this case, I agree with Gassendi the critic of Descartes. Note that Vines says that The interpretation "do not exalt yourselves" is not in keeping with the context. Infallibility suggests arrogance. I would go more with certainty. Scripture clearly tells us that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Your way suggests that were a man to employ your "doubt" in his life, he would likely second guess his proposals even to marriage...such that the girl would likely dump you. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member Posts: 18930 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 4.0
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Again, that's extremely rich coming from you. You're the one who gives little weight to the dusty old book.
And you're the one who dismisses the clear meaning of the scriptures in favour of your self-serving interpretation, which you can't back up.
Same thing. If you're certain that you're right but you have no rational basis for your conclusions, then you believe you're infallible. And that's arrogance.
You should stop talking about what scripture "clearly says" because you reject scripture. In any case, "double minded" does not refer to being fixated on one conclusion with no rational basis.
YES. Of course it does. "Cold feet" happen before almost every wedding. There would probably be fewer divorces if more people paid attention to the temperature of their feet. (If you want an example of somebody who thinks like you do, watch Bus Stop, starring Marilyn Monroe.) "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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