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Rahvin
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Message 271 of 341 (885499)
04-14-2021 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
04-14-2021 7:11 PM


Re: Phat, Explain Yourself
Do you have to *work* at tossing around meaningless deep-sounding nonsense, or does it come naturally to you?

Facts stand for themselves. Facts have no political bias, they are simply true. Sources are accurate or inaccurate and this whole "leftist source" thing is absurd. Appealing to supposed political motivations is just another logical fallacy - it's irrelevant to the truth or fiction of any arguments made.

quote:
I have read 500 page books on the History of Christianity

...wow? Good for you?

quote:
You really need to quit listening to revisionist mythologists. Granted Christianity was often bloody, scandalous, and unchristian, but the founder, a Jewish Rabbi, was guiltless of any of your charges

No True Scotsman fallacy, combined with ignoring some of the words of Jesus:

Matthew 3:11-12:
I baptize you with water, but someone is coming who is mightier than me [3] will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. He will burn the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Mat 3:19:
Every tree that bears bad fruit will be cut down and cast into the fire.

Mat 10:21:
Brothers will condemn their own brothers to death; fathers, their children; children will revolt against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. [5]

11:21-24:
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Hell, this is just a few examples from Matthew. It doesnt matter if he's saying god will do it - he's telling people that its okay for very bad things including fire and torture and death to happen to "bad people." What do you think happens when you do that? This is fomenting violence! How could later Christians *not* follow this example with violence against the unbelievers? jesus said this is what they had coming! Are they not the arm of Christ, delivering justice at the will of his father? That's certainly what they believed. That's certainly why Chritianity has been so bloody.

"Unchristian" my ass.

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Lets see what a mess the secular humanist scientists make of things as they attempt to balance the fairness on the planet, do away with religion, and optimistically plan for a brighter future they envision

It would be hard to do a *worse* job than Christianity has historically done. But please support the assertion that "secular humanist scientists" are trying to "do away with religion." This is not a part of any political party's electoral platform, and neither is banning religion something even secular humanist atheists actually want to do. Rather, they want to promote rational thinking to the point people abandon religion on their own. Religion is a symptom of the irrationality disease; education is the only necessary cure. There's no need to "do away with" anything.


“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

Nihil supernum


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jar
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Message 272 of 341 (885500)
04-14-2021 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Phat
04-14-2021 6:56 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:

Again I ask you why you have never been able to understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

For the same reason no one else has ever been able to understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

For the same reason no one has even been able to explain what "understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit" even means?

Phat writes:

What I DO think is that you all are making a mistake counting on rational humans who, like you, see it all as a fantasy.

LOL

Too funny Phat.

Who, other than humans, should a rational person count on?

Is there ANY evidence that there is any other source of change?

AbE:

Phat writes:

You have taken a whole group of people, likely 40% or more of all US Christians, and labeled them.

It's likely more than 40% and I hope I did more than simply label them.

My intent is to warn the rest of the population here and abroad about just how dangerous that segment of our population really is.

They need to be an example used to educate the coming generations; "Learn to think or you will end up just as execrable".

Edited by jar, : see AbE.


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Phat
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Message 273 of 341 (885507)
04-15-2021 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by jar
04-14-2021 8:11 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
jar writes:

Who, other than humans, should a rational person count on?

Is there ANY evidence that there is any other source of change?


Message 18
jar writes:

Honestly, I see little hope of the US not becoming a total Fascist Autocracy withing a decade or two at the most.

So you, I, and AZ Paul3 agree that the future seems bleak, right? Or are we more optimistic?
In my neck of the woods, people went to church to worship, fellowship and commune with others, and lay their burdens on an altar where they collectively believed that a Higher Power actually existed and whom heard their prayers.

More than a mere genie or a fantasy, however. Lots of testimonies, at any rate. And you don't buy it. Why do you even go to church? Why do you bother reading the BCP with your friends? Why not just dump the Episcopalians and their robes and vestments, go and start a secular humanist do-good club?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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jar
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Message 274 of 341 (885508)
04-15-2021 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Phat
04-15-2021 8:50 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:

Why do you even go to church? Why do you bother reading the BCP with your friends? Why not just dump the Episcopalians and their robes and vestments, go and start a secular humanist do-good club?

Here is the dismissal found in the Book of Common Prayer Phat. It is the final exhortation by the Priest or Bishop at the end of a service.

quote:
Almighty and everliving God,
we thank you for feeding us with the spiritual food
of the most precious Body and Blood
of your Son our Savior Jesus Christ;
and for assuring us in these holy mysteries
that we are living members of the Body of your Son,
and heirs of your eternal kingdom.

And now, Father, send us out
to do the work you have given us to do,
to love and serve you
as faithful witnesses of Christ our Lord.

To him, to you, and to the Holy Spirit,
be honor and glory, now and for ever. Amen.


The Christianity is supposed to be a do-good club.

Learn the basics Phat.

The works you have given us to do!

Feed
Clothe
Comfort
Shelter
Protect
Heal
Educate

Christianity is supposed to be a do-good club.

It ain't what we preach or believe or say or chant that is witnessing, it is what we do.


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ringo
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Message 275 of 341 (885522)
04-16-2021 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
04-14-2021 6:23 PM


Re: Phat, Explain Yourself
Phat writes:

... the US is becoming less nationalistic and more globalist. We compromise far too much in this area. Right Wing patriots see this. As for Left Wing patriots, I'm not sure how they see anything apart from individually rather than collectively.


How can you call yourself a "moderate" when you agree whole-heartedly with the Right and admit that you don't know what the Left thinks?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 276 of 341 (885539)
04-17-2021 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by ringo
04-16-2021 12:18 PM


Far Left Behind
ringo writes:

How can you call yourself a "moderate" when you agree whole-heartedly with the Right and admit that you don't know what the Left thinks?

My sister is Left Wing,a child of the sixties protests, as is one of my high school buddies.(Who considers himself a proud member of the Christian Left )

Most of the conservatives at church are not too bright....I only have two other conservative friends who are brilliant...one is a CPA and one is a Rocket Scientist. You yourself have claimed Far Left ideology, and I like talking with you.

When I say I don't know what the Left is, what I really mean is that I dont understand a reason anybody would want to be Far Left. Didnt Joe McCarthy get rid of all of you unpatriotic Globalists?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 277 of 341 (885541)
04-17-2021 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by jar
04-15-2021 9:19 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
jar writes:

For the same reason no one else has ever been able to understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

Oh there are plenty of us who have received such a relationship. We just cant objectively prove it to you.

jar writes:

For the same reason no one has even been able to explain what "understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit" even means?

It is true that we cant explain it to *you*. Not to everyone. Some folks just get it. Feel free to warn *the world* that we are collectively a danger.

jar writes:

Christianity is supposed to be a do-good club.

It ain't what we preach or believe or say or chant that is witnessing, it is what we do.

I cant ever argue this point with you. You are right. How many times need we go around this same mountain?
jar writes:

Learn the basics Phat.

The works you have given us to do!

You? You Who?

(Oh that's right....I keep forgetting that *you* threw SOURCE Away!)


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 278 of 341 (885542)
04-17-2021 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Rahvin
04-14-2021 7:43 PM


Re: Phat, Explain Yourself
Rahvin writes:

It would be hard to do a *worse* job than Christianity has historically done. But please support the assertion that "secular humanist scientists" are trying to "do away with religion." This is not a part of any political party's electoral platform, and neither is banning religion something even secular humanist atheists actually want to do. Rather, they want to promote rational thinking to the point people abandon religion on their own. Religion is a symptom of the irrationality disease; education is the only necessary cure. There's no need to "do away with" anything.

Good point, Rahvin. Can I count you as an anti-theist?

And did it ever occur to you that the things that Jesus was attacking were not people themselves but principalities,powers, and wickedness in high places? Or do you consider the whole idea absurd?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 279 of 341 (885544)
04-17-2021 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Phat
04-17-2021 9:56 AM


Re: Far Left Behind
Phat writes:

You yourself have claimed Far Left ideology, and I like talking with you.


No, I have said that ideologies are for lazy thinkers. Skeptics need to be skeptical about everything. I have also said that in some ways I am more conservative than you.

Phat writes:

When I say I don't know what the Left is, what I really mean is that I dont understand a reason anybody would want to be Far Left.


You also don't know what "Far Left" means. So you were right the first time - you don't know what the Left thinks.

Phat writes:

Didnt Joe McCarthy get rid of all of you unpatriotic Globalists?


No. God got rid of Joe McCarthy.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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jar
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Message 280 of 341 (885547)
04-17-2021 1:02 PM
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04-17-2021 10:10 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:

jar writes:

Christianity is supposed to be a do-good club.

It ain't what we preach or believe or say or chant that is witnessing, it is what we do.

I cant ever argue this point with you. You are right. How many times need we go around this same mountain?
jar writes:

Learn the basics Phat.

The works you have given us to do!

You? You Who?

(Oh that's right....I keep forgetting that *you* threw SOURCE Away!)

Think Phat. Really, if just for a moment, think.

I am a Christian.

I am an Episcopalian.

The Character Jesus in the Bible Stories (and in the Episcopal Church the Bible is read in an organized fashion over a three year period) outlined what the duty of those that followed him should be; to feed, heal, clothe, shelter, protect, comfort, teach.

Those tasks also appear in EVERY moral system and are the same for Jews and Buddhists and Taoists and Muslims and Hindus and atheists and agnostics BUT as a Christian (I believe you think and claim to be a Christian) they are mandated and reinforced as the dismissal after the service.

The SOURCE is irrelevant. The charge remains. The duty remains.


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Phat
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Message 281 of 341 (885548)
04-17-2021 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by jar
04-17-2021 1:02 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
OK You Win. I ill honestly say though that it sticks in my craw even considering that SOURCE (Accepting Jesus Christ and allowing His Spirit to co-mingle with your own) is irrelevant. You once said that even if Jesus was just a Tale told round the campfire the message would still have value. Anglagard has no problem with a Jesus who was and is only human. ringo talks of the message being more relevant than the messenger. And yet quite honestly I NEED a supernatural God.

I am a Christian.

I am an Episcopalian.


And I always was envious of the fact that you never seemed to need God. You simply assumed that you had your marching orders and so you went and marched. I tried for years to find chinks in your armor. Flaws in your arguments. You mocked Biblical Christians. People whom I knew. People who prayed and who also fed the homeless and comforted those in prison.

I was like a 12 year old who argued that my Dad could beat up your Dad. Except it seemed as if you had no Dad.

Ringo never helped much. He always ALWAYS accused me of not doing what the Message said. Like a frig gen nagging conscience! And I got mad! How dare he claim the high moral ground when he did nothing more that I could see than hand out spare change. And you did little more than take out the neighbors trash.

But I always am honest. And I searched for the perfect church. The perfect Pastor/Leader. When Ravi Zacharias was exposed, found guilty, and tried through death, I was humbled. How could jar be right? And how in the hell did Theodoric know and believe the accusations before they were proven??? Yet today it is a known fact that Ravi was NOT who he appeared to be. Now I love Isaiah Saldivar. Isaiah is humble. Many in my inner circle know him personally. He really does encounter and cast out demons. I could care less what AZPaul says...about demons not existing and God not existing. I clench my fists and say to myself that "I'll show you!"

But now I feel as if He showed me. And whats humbling is the fact that He used you guys to do it!

I was hoping that He would show YOU instead of me!


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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jar
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Message 282 of 341 (885550)
04-17-2021 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Phat
04-17-2021 1:38 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Remember I have never suggested that you throw GOD away.

It is all the god(s) and God(s) created by humans that should be thrown away.

Remember that I believe there is a GOD and that there was a person known as Jesus and that after dying that person ascended into heaven and will come again to judge the living and the dead.

I believe I will be judged and judged fairly based on my behavior while alive.

I believe there is a life ever after.

I have never told you to throw belief away but rather to be honest about beliefs and symbols and territories and how one testifies and what we (every single human) are charged to do.

Remember that WE are charged to be stewards and WE are charged to prepare for the seven lean years and WE are our brothers keepers and that only WE can avoid wars and assure justice and feed the hungry and clothe the naked and heal the sick and comfort the sorrowful and shelter the homeless.

It is our duty to find the way to pay the bill.


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Message 283 of 341 (885552)
04-17-2021 4:04 PM
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04-17-2021 1:38 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:

How dare he claim the high moral ground when he did nothing more that I could see than hand out spare change.


I've never claimed any moral high ground. What I've done is point out that YOUR God is entirely made up - i.e. you don't even accept your own source ( the Bible) unless it suits you.

Phat writes:

Now I love Isaiah Saldivar. Isaiah is humble. Many in my inner circle know him personally. He really does encounter and cast out demons.


No he really doesn't. That's a good place to start figuring out how honest he really is.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 284 of 341 (885554)
04-17-2021 5:37 PM
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04-17-2021 1:38 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
But I always am honest.

Are you honest to yourself?

And I searched for the perfect church.

There's no such thing. Churches are human institutions, and we humans are fallible.

He really does encounter and cast out demons.

Then he is conning you, and you are falling for it.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 285 of 341 (885555)
04-17-2021 5:39 PM
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04-17-2021 1:02 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
jar writes:

The Character Jesus in the Bible Stories (and in the Episcopal Church the Bible is read in an organized fashion over a three year period) outlined what the duty of those that followed him should be; to feed, heal, clothe, shelter, protect, comfort, teach.

Those tasks also appear in EVERY moral system and are the same for Jews and Buddhists and Taoists and Muslims and Hindus and atheists and agnostics BUT as a Christian (I believe you think and claim to be a Christian) they are mandated and reinforced as the dismissal after the service.

The SOURCE is irrelevant. The charge remains. The duty remains.

Interesting, I have specifically studied all major religions to discover commonalities (along with differences, since they are but the other side of the same coin) and the one overriding commonality is not just to do no harm, but also "to feed, heal, clothe, shelter, protect, comfort, teach."

Of course, I am referring to core belief systems of major religions, not the weird mutations which often lead to de-facto murder.

I have a working hypothesis as to why. The basic obligation "to feed, heal, clothe, shelter, protect, comfort, teach" is essentially the essence of what separates general behavior of primates from other families, mammals from other orders, and in youth, even aves join us mammals in taking care of the young. The appeal of religion at its highest levels is hard-wired in a sense, mainly in primates, to some extent among mammals, and even evidenced by avians, (especially corvids, and parrots.)

Of course, in the past very much of religion is involved in how to explain natural phenomena of those and by those who lacked the hard evidence and mathematical tools to better explain such phenomena. (one thing about being a student of history is you have to ask yourself, "damn these guys sure fucked up in the past, wonder what he future will have to say about my shortcomings.")

Well, regardless of such motivations be they religious, biological, political, or philosophic, any source may lead to the same conclusion - namely "to feed, heal, clothe, shelter, protect, comfort, teach." That is the true and highest calling of the most honest and definitive of humans.

Edited by anglagard, : a few unclosed parentheses and a missing word


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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