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ringo
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Message 571 of 610 (894307)
05-11-2022 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 557 by Dredge
05-11-2022 2:20 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Dredge writes:
... that communal system became untenable....
For the same reason that "thou shalt not steal", etc. became untenable - believers preferred to believe in the voodoo aspects of Christianity - e.g. the resurrection - and avoid the practical aspects - e.g. loving their neighbors.
Dredge writes:
If Jesus preached that all Christians must live in communes and hand over all their possessions and money, that's what the Catholic Church would teach ...
Jesus didn't teach infallibility of the Pope but that's what Catholics do. He didn't teach praying to saints but that's what Catholics do.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 572 of 610 (894310)
05-11-2022 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Dredge
05-11-2022 11:31 AM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
so you moved the goal-posts to Islam.

Incidentally, you can criticize Islam all you like - it's a demonic cult of fear and violence and has been from the very beginning.
Christianity and Islam look identical to me.

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Message 573 of 610 (894311)
05-11-2022 9:46 PM
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05-11-2022 9:19 PM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the three largest of the Abrahamic religions.
They all worship the same God and all claim the others do not worship the same god.
They all use pretty much the same basic texts and practice pretty much the same cultures while each claiming that the other two do not.
Judaism though is the only one of the three that does not emphasis proselytizing and is the only one of the three that was not spread by the STATE and sword.

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Message 574 of 610 (894314)
05-11-2022 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by ringo
05-11-2022 3:18 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Jesus didn't teach infallibility of the Pope but that's what Catholics do. He didn't teach praying to saints but that's what Catholics do.
You just touched on a pet peeve and wish of mine: Believers should learn what their beliefs are and where they came from (ie, what they are actually based on).
So many believers actually think that their beliefs come from the Bible even though that is not true. Instead, so many "biblical" beliefs come from other sources. A lot of Catholic beliefs came from extra-biblical Church fathers. A main thrust of the Protestant Reformation was to switch to sola scriptura, but I strongly suspect that a lot of those extra-biblical beliefs in Catholicism were retained (basically, the Protestants were trying to reconstruct the "original true Christianity", which is ambitious and vulnerable to failure). Fundamentalists of the Jesus Freak mold believed in dispensationalism and that it was in the Bible from the start, when in fact it was first developed around 1830. For that matter, fundamentalism originated around 1900.
What we encounter all the time are "believers" who believe in things that aren't even in their religion. I think that every believer needs to study his religion as thoroughly as possible, which must include learning the history of individual beliefs.

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Dredge
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Message 575 of 610 (894358)
05-13-2022 7:00 PM
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05-11-2022 3:18 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
ringo writes:
Jesus didn't teach infallibility of the Pope but that's what Catholics do.
Peter received the divine powers of authority and infallibility
when Jesus gave him the "keys of the kingdom of heaven" and told him, "whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matt 16:19)
He didn't teach praying to saints but that's what Catholics do.
Jesus told the apostles, “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.  When the Spirit of t-r-u-t-h comes, he will guide you into all the t-r-u-t-h " (John 16:12-13).
In other words, Jesus did not reveal all his teachings when he was on earth. Rather, the Holy Spirit revealed them to the Church later, in the fullness of time.
The Church is the "fullness" of Christ (Eph 1:22-23) and teaches the faithful the knowledge and doctrines of God (Eph 4:11-14). Therefore the Catholic Church's teachings are the teachings of Christ.
Note: I had to write "t-r-u-t-h" coz otherwise it appeared as"*****". Weird.

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Message 576 of 610 (894360)
05-13-2022 7:18 PM
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05-13-2022 7:00 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Note: I had to write "t-r-u-t-h" coz otherwise it appeared as"*****". Weird.
Not weird. There's an admin option to blank out in that manner words that a member has overly abused.
Apparently, you have a history of abusing the word, "truth".

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Message 577 of 610 (894361)
05-13-2022 7:21 PM
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05-11-2022 2:44 PM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
Gotta luv ur keen sense of humour!

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Dredge
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Message 578 of 610 (894362)
05-13-2022 7:24 PM
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05-11-2022 3:18 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
ringo writes:
For the same reason that "thou shalt not steal", etc. became untenable - believers preferred to believe in the voodoo aspects of Christianity - e.g. the resurrection - and avoid the practical aspects - e.g. loving their neighbors.
I didn't know that.

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Message 579 of 610 (894363)
05-13-2022 7:27 PM
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05-11-2022 9:19 PM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
In that case, you need to see an optometrist.

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Dredge
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Message 580 of 610 (894364)
05-13-2022 7:30 PM
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05-11-2022 9:46 PM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
jar writes:
Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the three largest of the Abrahamic religions.

They all worship the same God and all claim the others do not worship the same god.

They all use pretty much the same basic texts and practice pretty much the same cultures while each claiming that the other two do not.

Judaism though is the only one of the three that does not emphasis proselytizing and is the only one of the three that was not spread by the STATE and sword.
Let's kill 'em all!!

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Message 581 of 610 (894365)
05-13-2022 7:33 PM
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05-13-2022 7:30 PM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
Dredge the bottom writes:
jar writes:
Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the three largest of the Abrahamic religions.

They all worship the same God and all claim the others do not worship the same god.

They all use pretty much the same basic texts and practice pretty much the same cultures while each claiming that the other two do not.

Judaism though is the only one of the three that does not emphasis proselytizing and is the only one of the three that was not spread by the STATE and sword.
Let's kill 'em all!!
It is fascinating that instead of responding to what I posted you said "Let's kill 'em all!!".

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Message 582 of 610 (894366)
05-13-2022 7:33 PM
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05-13-2022 7:18 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
It in that case, "weird" has just been officially upgraded to "super weird".

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Message 583 of 610 (894367)
05-13-2022 7:36 PM
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05-13-2022 7:33 PM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
jar writes:
It is fascinating that instead of responding to what I posted you said "Let's kill 'em all!!".
Yes, but not as fascinating as your reply:
"It is fascinating that instead of responding to what I posted you said "Let's kill 'em all!!"".

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Dredge
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Message 584 of 610 (894370)
05-13-2022 7:56 PM
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05-11-2022 10:28 AM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
jar writes:
The problem is that the vast majority of Christians are too dishonest to actually admit just how evil Christianity has been and is still today.
Yep, that is a problem, n'est ce pas? In fact, every Christian I have ever met (including myself) has been not only dishonest, but disgustingly evil as well.
Evil religions like Christianity attract evil people - that's how the cookie crumbles, I'm afraid.

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Message 585 of 610 (894371)
05-13-2022 8:05 PM
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05-11-2022 10:10 AM


Re: why someone might be anti-theist
jar writes:
Jesus was a communist
Jesus wrote "The Communist Manifesto" - historical fact.

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