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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4705 From: u.k Joined: |
None-answer really. You DESIRE to be intellectual but are stopped and revert back to the "we" crap, as though majority decides something. But your assertions don't prove a thing, you just believe they do because you are, and I quote, "fallible" but have told yourself you are superior being in the non-Christian group.
Oh Taq, you surely know you are only fooling yourself by stating this inaccurate thing. In experiments to replicate abiogenesis or try and see even the most basic building blocks arise naturally there is no such example. You refer to the programming of actually complete living cells designed and in place on totalum. Not at all the same thing.
Have the bodies of the brothers that escaped Alcatraz been found washed up on shore? The thing about evidence is you have to make sure it would follow. With your example it's an example of an argument called a RIGGED DICE. You use and abuse hindsight to think of a piece of evidence for God existing full well knowing it doesn't exist, then you request that particular piece of evidence. (asking for me to score through a goal hoop that can't be scored through physically) Atheists being, "fallible" never seem to notice this biased game they are playing.
You can collectively agree that is what I am doing as an argumentum ad populum fallacy but you haven't shown how I am wrong in anyway whatsoever by barely asserting that I am only proclaiming myself to be right. I provided reasonings and arguments as to why I am right. Ironically those, "fallible biases" won't seem to allow you to see that ironically it is you that is proclaiming your group to be right with a bare assertion fallacy about what you say I am doing. Is it a good sign that you can lie to yourself in this way? I don't think so. I offered up rational discourse and you closed down pretty quickly and got the bare-assertion gun out when you didn't really have any answers. Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 8469 Joined: Member Rating: 6.0 |
Your pretend mind-reading abilities are also entertaining.
It isn't inaccurate. I see DNA replicated, RNA trascribed, proteins translated, and the interaction of all these processes which forms a new cell, right in cell culture. If this didn't happen there would only be one cell in the whole world.
You are the one who offered giant squid as the model for evidence, not me. The rigged dice are of your making.
Ever heard of the burden of proof? You are the one who claims God exists, so the burden of proof lies with you. As Hitch said, claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
All you said is "If God exists then you are wrong". That's not a reasoned argument.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4705 From: u.k Joined: |
So this was an easy win. Basically I answered all posts and didn't get any proper answers back, nobody addressed anything.
Something to think about isn't it? That one creationist, that evil "religious idiot" you think me, can turn up for one hour and get the checkmate EASILY, which any honest person can read and clearly see. Did I insult? No. Did I assert? No. Was I hostile? No. Did I as a, "religionist" have any problems at all refuting the superior atheists? Not in the least. It should be a lesson but likely won't be, it will just be eggs and tomatoes on my way out the door. How sad that a once alive-forum has become a den of vipers. Why I logged in I'll never know, there is nothing more INTRANSIGENT and inflexible as a dedicated anti-theist. I had hoped there may be one or two reasonable ones I could just discuss those things with, Taq sort of started well but clammed up real quick once he found out I had answers. Wasn't it Einstein that said to expect a different result when doing the same thing again and again is the definition of insanity? Why do you always assume I won't have answers when you know my abilities? It's bizarre, you are like that bear that rocks back and forth in it's cage because it's been locked up for so long. The real reason I always win is because it is really God's wisdom in me. It isn't me, it's what God has done in me. God will show that Him and one person are a majority, that is the power of His wisdom. You cannot defeat the one that designed all of the lifeforms when you can't come anywhere near that level of designer intelligence. Me myself in and of myself I am nothing, but the knowledge and wisdom of God? Not one man on earth can win against it. Deep down you liars must surely see it. It is a shame you only can see me, and not the one that is really refuting you. Even now the Lord would accept humility if you looked into His words and found Him with a humble heart and admitted like me you are just a bit of sinful flesh. I wish your all well. (Despite the barrage of insults you always throw at me every time I come here. Lol)
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Taq Member Posts: 8469 Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."--Scott D. Weitzenhoffer Mikes argument of the day? "If I am right then you are wrong. Ha, I win."
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5582 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Seriously? You don’t think there are enough common attributes among all practitioners of all religions that stupid could not be applied? Denying reality and substituting your own is the poster child of stupid, is it not? That is at the very base of every religion ever created. You’re a believer, Mike, and, yeah, that paints you with the same brush.
Dan can be a Fields Medal recipient, for all it’s worth. If the circuitry of his electrochemical noggin allows for such fantasy to be considered actual, viable, real … he’s stupid.
Conclusion; If you cling to your religious fantasies in the face of reality … if you are religious … then you are stupid.
Oh, you twist and turn so pretty. There is no difference between you, whatever god you are so enthralled with today, astrologers, modern druids or crystal-power enhanced Gwyneth Paltrow. You believe this crap. You drank the Kool Aid. In this universe, Mike, with what we know of it, drinking the Kool Aid of religion or any other woo-woo majik you care to throw in here is a major lapse in intellect, in critical thinking and in those qualities that would keep you from being called stupid.
With logic like that it’s no wonder you drank the Kool Aid.
The farce is strong with this one.
Don’t worry your head about that. It’s an English word with a self-evident meaning you wouldn’t comprehend. And stop calling yourself a pig, Mike. It’s undignified. Factio Republicana delenda est. ![]()
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anglagard Member Posts: 2250 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Ah yes, yet another refreshing example of Christian humility. Do you have anything of substance to say that is not about you? The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do. Republican = death
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Tangle Member Posts: 8068 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Bye Mike, feel free to drop back in anytime to cheer us all up with your crazed pseudo-logic and fake humility.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The many opponents of your belief and mine are unified in opposition to the very idea of a cosmic authority to whom they would become accountable to. It is a battle for control of free willed character. Oh but they have every sacred right to impose cancel culture and legislate reparations! (NOT) Though you purposefully come across as somewhat arrogant, I know that you do it because it frustrates your opponents. ... but our opponents will and do differentiate between raw intelligence and rational educated evidence based thinking. To them, that always trumps belief of any kind. But then...they don't believe in Jesus as living and active. Perhaps they best bow to the superior intelligence. Now Who is He, again? Perhaps a question for you, Mike. What concrete objective evidence would we give them? Edited by Phat, : better clarified thinking for the argument I chose. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Such is true, a broad term can be used inappropriately. That is, if you wanted to discuss any warm-blooded, furry-or-hairy, milk-from-mother-drinking babies kind of creature... then using the term "mammal" is a great choice. With the term religionist... you're right. One could associate "belief in an invisible sky lord" along with "belief in talking snakes" or "belief in magic crystals." Or, it could also be used appropriately.
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Snakes are not mammals. But, as stated in my previous post, broad terms can be used inappropriately, or appropriately. Just saying that a broad term can be used in a wrong way doesn't show that it *is* being used in a wrong way in this context. "Religion," here, is being used broadly to describe people who hold beliefs about reality without taking into the scientific evidence and implications that has been so good at describing that reality so far. It seems to be an appropriate use of the term.
Of course. But pigs can't fly.
That's the only way it helps your case, yes - if you call it "all semantics." What you're doing is comparing two different ways of identifying the truth about reality. 1. There's not only 2 ways. So right off the bat you're not playing with a full deck. 2a. Religion - Identifying the truth about reality by holding to beliefs interpreted from an ancient text. Religion has a historical track record of getting a great many things wrong about reality and needing to be corrected by science. I'll leave it to the reader to decide which one they want to follow when attempting to discover the truth about aspects of reality.
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Of course there is. No one said the system is perfect. What better system are you putting forward? One based on people's personal declaration of their innocence instead of the available evidence?
By looking at the available evidence in reality. Right now, there's no evidence that says miracles actually even happen. When actual evidence for the Lord's existence is... anywhere... then it will become an idea with more credence.
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Those who score so highly on tests are able to understand the logic and science so well that they can explain their results to others without logical or scientific errors and all seekers-of-the-truth are able to see the same, correct answer. Please, use your logic and science to show that you know the Lord exists. But, if your history is any indication, this is where you tend to fall away from logic and science and use "because I think He does" as a reason that the Lord actually exists.
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.0
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Not always, no. That is, if we're trying to "identify the truth about aspects of reality" - then we know from history that evidence-based-thinking has a much better track record on getting to the right answer as opposed to belief-of-any-kind. However, when attempting to find ways to express my love for my wife to her - evidence-based-thinking tends to come off a little... flat. Where belief-in-our-love tends to lead me to ideas and efforts-of-love that make her far happier and feeling like I'm focused on her. Use what's best for where it's best suited.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5582 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Then you're not doing it right.
Your "belief-in-our-love" is the result of the physical evidence of the depth of your emotional experience with her. All the little presents, kindnesses, whispered sweet nothings build the emotional state we monkeys call love. Your want to please her, to focus on her, is because she actually exists in this universe and the physical state of your electrochemical noggin is such that you like this girl. There is nothing belief-based happening here. The physical evidence of your relationship and its attendant emotional effect on your monkey brain is the cold hard physical reality of your belief in your love. It's still cute. And endearing. But it is, as is everything, evidence-based. Emotional belief-based perception exists but only as a result of intellectual impairment. To believe in an unevidenced entity, be it some god, crystal power or the cosmic consciousness, will only result when an impaired brain sees such fantasies as real, viable as against demonstrable reality. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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anglagard Member Posts: 2250 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Those who have read and mastered the material have all the right to express their opinions on the material. Phat, your response does not make sense to me. When my wife died in 2012 in our bedroom, the first thing I got to deal with were the police, who all but accused me of murder. After they left, then I got to call all the friends and relatives, starting with the daughter. This was also quite unpleasant. After that I was finally alone to deal with grief. Tried to entertain myself by listening to some old 72 live concert Genesis but that just made me more sad. So, I reread in order: The Tao (short two hour read) That helped more than expected. Do you see the difference in our subsequent behaviors? Edited by anglagard, : missing letter The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do. Republican = death
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