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Phat
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Message 79 of 152 (884131)
01-23-2021 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by LamarkNewAge
01-23-2021 12:05 PM


Re: The big legal issue I wonder about:
speaking from the peanut gallery, I noticed that you were presenting Percy with a list of excuses. Spellcheck is a legit one... I could never comment on EvC were it not for my trusty desktop typewriter....the smartphone is a torture device from hell.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 81 of 152 (884133)
01-23-2021 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by AZPaul3
01-23-2021 12:07 PM


Re: The big legal issue I wonder about:
all he(LNA) is really saying is that he has a lot more that he wants to say and that his patience is limited concerning his smartphones capability and the time it requires for him to effectively argue with you guys. I swear you liberals are on steroids when it comes to hanging Trump. Not that hanging him may not be a necessary lesson that God Himself has prepared for him.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 82 of 152 (884134)
01-23-2021 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Percy
01-23-2021 12:34 PM


Re: The big legal issue I wonder about:
I love the detail and thoughtfully edited expression that you put into your posts. You surely don't type all of this on a smartphone, do you?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 128 of 152 (884364)
02-13-2021 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by LamarkNewAge
02-13-2021 3:36 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
After reading the comments of the last few posts by you, PaulK and others, my 2 cent conclusion is this:

A case was made by both the defense and prosecution. Either side had a valid argument, though I favor the prosecution. Trump went out of bounds for good form by an acting president. He was irresponsible.
The defense likely banked on the fact that the Republicans would be split enough that the prosecution would fall short of the 2/3 majority needed. The defense gambled well.

The Orange Menace may resurface in 4 years, but hopefully the voting public will see the light and the fact that they are responsible for choosing better (than him)

Al Jazeera had some inciteful comments from abroad.
‘Political cowardice’: US reacts to Trump impeachment acquittal
and
Donald Trump acquitted on charge of inciting US Capitol riot

Al Jazeera Quotes writes:

  • ...Notably, however, seven Republican senators voted to convict the former president, the largest number of conviction votes from senators in president’s own party for impeachment in US history.(...)The second trial’s outcome was not a surprise as the bar to convict would have required a significant bipartisan vote at a time when the US is extremely partisan – more deeply polarised politically than it has been in decades.

    “This trial wasn’t about choosing country over party, even not that this was about choosing country over Donald Trump and 43 Republican members chose Trump. They chose Trump,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said following the vote.

  • So the world sees us as a weakened aging empire that is more partisan now than ever before.
    Unity or at the very least a consensus will require a lot of hard work, education, and ability to see the Bigger Picture.

    Edited by Phat, : added


    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 129 of 152 (884365)
    02-13-2021 8:05 PM
    Reply to: Message 127 by LamarkNewAge
    02-13-2021 3:50 PM


    Interviewing the EvC Peanut Gallery
    My question is why you appear to be on his side. He was ineffective as a leader.

    I will admit that it takes guts to defend Trump on Forums such as this. I would defend him had I any evidence that he was the better choice. I don't. I'm just plain tired of him and don't want him back in any way shape or form.


    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 136 of 152 (884374)
    02-14-2021 1:53 PM
    Reply to: Message 130 by LamarkNewAge
    02-13-2021 8:41 PM


    Re: Interviewing the EvC Peanut Gallery
    LNA writes:

    Trump was unique in that he had ferociously fought the entire Republican party to win the nomination.

    And over a four year term, Trump proved that he was more than just unique. He was prone to reacting quickly and irrationally. The evidence clearly showed that much. Whether he returns in 2024 depends on a lot of things. Will he have your vote?

    As for the future, I see deflation followed by inflation. Percy is correct in that we likely (hopefully) will never see hyperinflation.

    I HAVE A HUNCH THAT THE DOLLARS DAYS ARE NUMBERED, HOWEVER. You heard it here first.

    What Would It Take For The US Dollar To Collapse?

    Investopedia writes:

    Ever since the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1944, other major governments and central banks have relied on the U.S. dollar to back up the value of their own currencies.9

     Through its reserve currency status, the dollar receives extra legitimacy in the eyes of domestic users, currency traders, and participants in international transactions.

    The U.S. dollar is not the only reserve currency in the world, though it is the most prevalent. As of October 2016, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) approved four other reserve currencies: the euro, British pound sterling, Japanese yen, and Chinese yuan.10 It is important that the dollar has competitors as an international reserve currency because it creates a theoretical alternative for the rest of the world in case American policymakers lead the dollar down a damaging path. (...) There are some conceivable scenarios that might cause a sudden crisis for the dollar. The most realistic is the dual-threat of high inflation and high debt, a scenario in which rising consumer prices force the Fed to sharply raise interest rates. Much of the national debt is made up of relatively short-term instruments, so a spike in rates would act like an adjustable-rate mortgage after the teaser period ends. If the U.S. government struggled to afford its interest payments, foreign creditors could dump the dollar and trigger a collapse.

    If the U.S. entered a steep recession or depression without dragging the rest of the world with it, users might leave the dollar. Another option would involve some major power, such as China or a post-European Union Germany, reinstating a commodity-based standard and monopolizing the reserve currency space. However, even in these scenarios, it is not clear that the dollar necessarily would collapse.

    The collapse of the dollar remains highly unlikely. Of the preconditions necessary to force a collapse, only the prospect of higher inflation appears reasonable.

    And note that I foresee higher inflation in the future.
    None of us have a crystal ball, however.

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 139 of 152 (884383)
    02-14-2021 3:46 PM
    Reply to: Message 138 by LamarkNewAge
    02-14-2021 3:32 PM


    Re: Response to the relevant part of Phat's post.
    Evidently, he is splitting the Republican party. He may well form his own.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


    This message is a reply to:
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