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Omnivorous
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Message 298 of 438 (913374)
10-25-2023 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Phat
10-23-2023 10:00 PM


Re: The Trump Election Interference Indictment
Don't worry about wokeness, brother.
It will not dawn on you.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 411 of 438 (916112)
02-24-2024 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by AZPaul3
02-24-2024 11:45 AM


Re: I was wondering...
AZPaul3 writes:
Besides, the security guys are very good at their jobs.
Yes.
Also, the American left has been without a violent fringe element for years. Kooks we got; bloodthirsty terrorists, not so much.
We have plenty of political violence in the U.S., almost entirely on the right.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Message 416 of 438 (916128)
02-24-2024 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by Phat
02-24-2024 4:10 PM


Re: I was wondering...
Phat writes:
What about that kid that tried to kill Reagan?
Yeah! Howzabout that crazy 20th century!
Good one! It burns.

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Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 422 of 438 (916257)
02-28-2024 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Taq
02-26-2024 12:37 PM


Re: I was wondering...
Taq writes:
Omnivorous writes:
Also, the American left has been without a violent fringe element for years.
One could argue that the violent BLM protests could be placed on the doorstep of US liberals. I don't think it is as simple as that, but I think it should still be something that US liberals acknowledge and strive to reduce.
Hi Taq. I had to think about that.
It wasn't Black Leftists Matter.
I don't see why a mass protest movement by a racial minority subject to being shot (unarmed) or choked to death by a cop is a liberal responsibility. As I recall, until recently, violence at political protests, including during the BLM protests, was condemned on all sides. Conservatives pressed liberals to condemn the movement itself, using their refusal to paint them as pro-violence and anti-police. Now, of course, since 1/6/2020, the GOP supports violent protest and considers the Capitol police and the FBI to be thugs. And as Percy suggests above, the police response to BLM protests was sometimes excessive and provocative.
Perhaps one could argue that liberals should not encourage the belief that racist policing is wrong and that the wronged have the right to protest. That seems contrary to both the truth and the Constitution.
The stronger argument is that it is conservatives who bear a moral burden for championing quasi-military policing and blocking reforms that would address the institutionalized racism. The heavily armed police presence for the D.C. BLM protests vs the late, weak response to the 1/6 insurrectionists is instructive. As more than one pundit noted, a thousand angry black men smashing their way into the Capitol would have been shot.
As a counterpoint, the close election between Gore and Bush in 2000 had way more potential of being the product of a rigged election, but there weren't any Democrats participating in a violent protest at the US Capitol, or anywhere.
It's fascinating to recall that 1/6 got a rehearsal in November 2000 with the Brooks Brothers Riot, when busloads of GOP operatives stormed (yes, including violence) the Miami-Dade County recount and succeeded in stopping it; thus there was time for Bush to win a SCOTUS stay of the recount, on the grounds it might cause him irreparable harm, and later SCOTUS could rule there was no time for a recount.
That cast has reassembled. Be afraid.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 427 of 438 (916262)
02-28-2024 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 423 by Taq
02-28-2024 6:00 PM


Re: I was wondering...
Taq writes:
All I was trying to point out is that crazy is not limited to just to conservatism.
Fair enough. That's what I meant when I said we have kooks on the left.
But I can list a number of right wing movements that are good candidates for nurturing assassins. Proud Boys, Sovereign Citizens, militias, MAGA -- folks filled with racial and partisan rage and an obvious or even announced proclivity to violence.
There's nothing like that on the left.
By the way, I don't consider myself a leftist.
I'm orthagonal. Everyone is wrong.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 428 of 438 (916263)
02-28-2024 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Tanypteryx
02-28-2024 6:13 PM


Re: I was wondering...
Tanypteryx writes:
I always thought it was too bad they didn't name it "Black Lives Matter, Too!"
That was the spirit of it, but I doubt the "Too" would have improved their reception on the right, which is a racist monolith.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 429 of 438 (916264)
02-28-2024 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by Taq
02-28-2024 6:03 PM


Re: I was wondering...
Taq writes:
I hear "Brooks Brothers Riot" and all I can picture in my head is a bunch of yuppies in overpriced suits getting into a slap fight.
Gimme a front row seat and a tub of popcorn ... kinda like watching Speaker Johnson and the Keystone Congress.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 435 of 438 (916313)
02-29-2024 7:24 PM
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02-29-2024 6:17 PM


Re: I was wondering...
I caucus with the lefties.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 437 of 438 (916329)
03-01-2024 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 436 by dwise1
02-29-2024 8:18 PM


Re: I was wondering...
dwise1 writes:
I'm orthagonal. Everyone is wrong.
Self-contradictory. How could anyone be wrong if every axis is right?
I include myself in "everyone" and thus remain confidently tentative.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day.
Talking Heads:
It's scientific.

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