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PaulK
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Message 52 of 152 (884099)
01-22-2021 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Tanypteryx
01-21-2021 10:44 PM


Re: Legal representation
Giuliani did start (and his defence would have been a gift to the prosecution). However he decided that he was a witness, so he stopped.

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Message 97 of 152 (884154)
01-23-2021 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Tanypteryx
01-23-2021 5:47 PM


Re: Post 73 disambiguation.
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Half the time I can't decipher what LNA is on about, but it seems like he has not seen the numerous videos of Trump's bullshit about not letting the Dems steal the election, from before the election until January 6.

Trump goes on and on about that in the speech. Almost every mention of the Democrats is accusing them of stealing the election.

And let us not forget that there was plenty of hate for Democrats in general and Nancy Pelosi in particular in addition to that. As well as the fact that the Democrats in the House were sure to block any objections that made it past the Senate. The attack was the only way to win.


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Message 119 of 152 (884353)
02-13-2021 2:45 AM


Trump refused to call off his supporters
CNN

This really leaves no doubt that Trump approved of the insurrection. And why not? It was his only hope of overturning his electoral defeat.

Kevin McCarthy, the lease of the House Republicans called Trump as the insurrectionists attacked, begging him to call them off. Trump’s response:

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

"He is not a blameless observer, he was rooting for them," a Republican member of Congress said. "On January 13, Kevin McCarthy said on the floor of the House that the President bears responsibility and he does."

"I think it speaks to the former President's mindset," said Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, an Ohio Republican who also voted to impeach Trump last month. "He was not sorry to see his unyieldingly loyal vice president or the Congress under attack by the mob he inspired. In fact, it seems he was happy about it or at the least enjoyed the scenes that were horrifying to most Americans across the country."

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Message 122 of 152 (884356)
02-13-2021 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by LamarkNewAge
02-13-2021 11:48 AM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
As is usual among the fanatics, LNA equates critical thinking with rationalising away arguments that oppose his position. That is why there is so little substance in his post, and nothing clearly relating to to his warning

Real critical thinking is anathema to him, since it exposes exactly what he’s doing,

The equation of protest with violence is a favourite of the Right. It’s closely akin to what Trunp’s lawyers are attempting to do with their videos (complete with background music).


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Message 124 of 152 (884358)
02-13-2021 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by LamarkNewAge
02-13-2021 2:29 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
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Where to begin?

You should have begun with an actual example of a politician confusing protest with violence.

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Trump's lawyers say that hs wanted non violent protests.

Of course they do. They say a lot of things that aren’t true.

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Do you have any evidence that Trump told McCarthy that he supported the violence?

I think that the actual quotes are a good indication that he did. But of course you don’t deal with the actual evidence. Which is a nice example of my point. You’re not interested in real critical thinking at all.

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Trump is easily accused when there are no transcripts. He is accused of supporting violence even with transcripts and video showing otherwise.

Because there is good evidence that he did regardless of the transcripts. That you keep ignoring.

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You can't even tell us what time the conversation took place.

Well before Trump told them to “go home in peace”.

I guess you’re following the lead of Trump’s lawyers:

But his lawyers cherry-picked his tweets, focusing on his request for supporters to "remain peaceful" without mentioning that he also attacked Pence and waited hours to explicitly urge rioters to leave the Capitol.

Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.


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Message 126 of 152 (884361)
02-13-2021 3:45 PM
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02-13-2021 3:36 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
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Trump was in favor of protests, based on his words.

Trump was in favour of overturning the elections and peaceful protests wouldn’t have done that. That was the point of the rally. When he told them they could win he meant overturning the election. If he tells them to be strong are they really going to settle for something completely ineffectual?

quote:
McCarthy was telling Trump to call off protests.

That is pretty implausible. Why would he bother? What evidence do you have?

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His first tweet post riot was 2:23.

His second was 2:38


Post riot would obviously be too late. After the riot is over it hardly matters.

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The prosecution not only did violent cherry picking, but lied .Trump did not tell people to fight to death

There is worse dishonesty on the defence side. There’s even worse dishonesty from you.


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Message 133 of 152 (884370)
02-14-2021 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by LamarkNewAge
02-13-2021 3:50 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
In other words you ignore all the contrary evidence. Trump made noises about staying peaceful, but he was the one who stirred up the rioters. He was the one who promised that the event would be “wild”. He was the one who told them that they could win by staying “strong” when peaceful protest couldn’t accomplish that.

Several of the rioters - Trump loyalists like you - claim that they were doing what he wanted. If that’s what they understood from his message then it’s obviously possible that’s what he wanted them to get from his message.


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Message 145 of 152 (884394)
02-15-2021 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by marc9000
02-14-2021 6:00 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
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The two main events were; 1) the Covid pandemic with all the biased reporting and sensationalism it received from the mainstream media

Funny how you don’t mention Trump’s incompetent handling of the pandemic. That was the big issue.

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2) the amazing cover-up by the mainstream media of the NY Post story a few weeks before the election, of the Hunter Biden/Joe Biden corruption during his vice presidency.

A Republican propaganda trick failed. That’s your complaint! That the press saw through the fraud?

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Are we supposed to believe that only Democrats heard this - that the nutcases who attacked the capitol didn't hear it, and weren't inspired by it? I haven't noticed anyone in the news pressing him to find out just what he meant. Did he mean they'll pay the price at the ballot box? No, they have lifetime appointments. Did he mean they'll pay a monetary price in....a reduction in pay? How could that logically and legally happen? I don't see that as an implication for anything lawful, can you? If so, I'd like to know what it could be. All I saw was an unlawful threat, of physical violence against him or his family or property.

If you bother to read the next paragraph he meant a massive electoral defeat for the Republicans.

The bottom line is very simple. We will stand with the American people. We will stand with American women. We will tell President Trump and Senate Republicans, who have stacked the court with right-wing ideologues, that you’re going to be gone in November, and you will never be able to do what you’re trying to do now ever, ever again. You hear that over there on the far right? You’re gone in November.

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Now for Pelosi, this was reported on 7-9-20.

You really think that accepting that people might go to extreme lengths to get rid of a statue is as bad as encouraging the violent overthrow of the Republic?

And the fearmongering about Latinos is just racist fearmongering. But I guess you Deplorabkes have to be deplorable.


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Message 149 of 152 (884493)
02-22-2021 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by dwise1
02-22-2021 11:36 AM


Re: Where does Q-Anon Get Their Nonsense From?
I stayed in Bacharach a while back and I’ve mentioned the Wernerkapelle here (as well as seeing it). It’s quite an impressive ruin, but the story behind it is chilling.

The usual shape shown for O’Neill colonies is cylindrical - which dies fit with the fictional Babylon stations.


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