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marc9000
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Message 141 of 152 (884389)
02-14-2021 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
02-13-2021 7:40 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
Hello there, Mr Phat, let us go a round or two.

A case was made by both the defense and prosecution. Either side had a valid argument, though I favor the prosecution. Trump went out of bounds for good form by an acting president. He was irresponsible.

A calamity of events, all combined, cost Trump his second term. If any one of them had been missing, he'd have handily won another term. The two main events were; 1) the Covid pandemic with all the biased reporting and sensationalism it received from the mainstream media, and 2) the amazing cover-up by the mainstream media of the NY Post story a few weeks before the election, of the Hunter Biden/Joe Biden corruption during his vice presidency. Some organization, maybe MRC (I can't remember for sure) claimed that it's surveys showed that a small, but significant percentage of Biden voters wouldn't have voted for him if they'd known about it. The network news, with its over-the-air reach that cable news and the internet don't have, have a big influence over information cover-ups.

I agree with you that Trump was irresponsible, in the last few months of his presidency, I thought he should have conceded sooner than he did. But I don't think that his behavior was anywhere near the level of impeachment. He didn't commit perjury like Bill Clinton did.

Did you watch the defense make their case? Did you see the videos they showed of some past behavior of Democrat congressmen and senators? Did you see any irresponsibility there? I know the knee-jerk reaction is that they weren't on trial, they weren't president etc. but if you'll hear me out - the charge against Trump was that he inspired the capitol insurrection even though it's a fact that most of the people there traveled there days before Trump's speech, and that bombs were planted before the speech. But everything to do with the insurrection happened well after countless Democrats said inflamitory things about civil unrest. Let's look at three of them, that were all included in the defense's videos;

quote:
Chuck Schumer; "I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."

Are we supposed to believe that only Democrats heard this - that the nutcases who attacked the capitol didn't hear it, and weren't inspired by it? I haven't noticed anyone in the news pressing him to find out just what he meant. Did he mean they'll pay the price at the ballot box? No, they have lifetime appointments. Did he mean they'll pay a monetary price in....a reduction in pay? How could that logically and legally happen? I don't see that as an implication for anything lawful, can you? If so, I'd like to know what it could be. All I saw was an unlawful threat, of physical violence against him or his family or property.

Here's the link for that, it was reported on March 4th 2020.

Schumer to Kavanaugh, Gorsuch: You Will "Pay The Price"

Now for Pelosi, this was reported on 7-9-20.

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QUESTION: Should not be done by--respectfully, shouldn't be done by a Commission or the City Council, not a mob in the middle of the night throwing it into the harbor?

PELOSI: People will do what they do. It's a--it is--I do think that from a safety standpoint it would be a good idea to have it taken down if the community doesn't want it.


Pelosi on Toppling of Columbus Statue: "People Will Do What They Do"

Her only concern seemed to be from a safety standpoint, not about the fact that it was a CRIME. Same questions as above, was it impossible for capitol insurrectionists to not see her say "people will do what they do", and not be inspired by it?

Number 3, Chris Cuomo.

quote:
"Please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful."

CNN's Chris Cuomo: Who Says Protests Are Supposed#!

Is there a scenario where a protest can be NOT polite and peaceful and still be legal? I don't see any, do you? Again, same question as above, were not capitol insurrectionists inspired by Cuomo's statement?

Did Trump's words "peacefully and patriotically" inspire the capitol insurrection more than the dozens and dozens of documented public speeches by Democrats over the past year? Of course many people didn't know about Trump's words "peacefully and patriotically" because the news media covered them up each night of "evening news reports" for several weeks before the trial. I watched the Trump defense lawyers present their case on my local ABC station, wondering how they were going to dance and cover up on their evening news report, the same things that were shown plain as day on their network only hours before. They didn't disappoint, while the video of the Democrats the defense showed dozens of Democrats saying "FIGHT LIKE HELL, FIGHT LIKE HELL, FIGHT LIKE HELL, FIGHT LIKE HELL, over and over and over again, their evening reports only said Democrats said "fight" many times, they only reserved the "fight like hell" quote to Trump. I must admit, they did show, just that one time, where Trump said "peacefully and patriotically" unlike any of their news reports each of many evenings before. You may notice that Schumer, Pelosi, Cuomo, and no one else in the dozens of hate filled Democrat public rants about Trump, used the words "peacefully and patriotically".

Thankfully, Trump has shown no intention of bailing out any of the capitol insurrectionists. Do you think any of those insurrectionists could have been inspired by Kamala Harris's contributing to the bailing out of criminal rioters? This report is from 8-17-20, plenty of time for the preparations of the nutcases of January 6th.

SAVAGE: Trump Slams Kamala Harris for Donating to Bail Out Rioters and Looters

The defense likely banked on the fact that the Republicans would be split enough that the prosecution would fall short of the 2/3 majority needed. The defense gambled well.

Gambled? What did they gamble on? They showed facts, no gambling there that I could see.

The Orange Menace may resurface in 4 years, but hopefully the voting public will see the light and the fact that they are responsible for choosing better (than him)

The voting public has yet to see what they're in for, for the next 4 years. There are thousands of un-educated, non-English speaking central Americans marching towards the U.S/Mexican border right now, not much reporting about it in the news however. I watch ABC World News Tonight most evenings, almost no time spent on the closure of the Keystone pipeline. Biden is now getting started on gun control, again, not much reporting. So many people are going to be caught off guard about the upcoming disasters, because the news media constantly covers things up that aren't favorable to Democrats.

So the world sees us as a weakened aging empire that is more partisan now than ever before.

That's true, and our enemies always seem to side with Democrats.

Unity or at the very least a consensus will require a lot of hard work, education, and ability to see the Bigger Picture.

The biggest problem is fake news, lying by omission. Ever since the jaw dropping cover up of the NY Post Hunter Biden story, I think correcting lying by omission by the Democrat controlled news media is our biggest piece of hard work.


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marc9000
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Posts: 1214
From: Ky U.S.
Joined: 12-25-2009


Message 143 of 152 (884391)
02-14-2021 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by LamarkNewAge
02-14-2021 10:20 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
Why should we have a problem with people dropping in here, when we dropped bombs there?

Most Trump voters, both from this past November, and November of 2016, are concerned with illegal immigration of today, not events of 1954.

Best to keep policy out of this discussion. I have heard enough crap from the others, here, to know that they will gladly post bomb a bunch of policy babble.

I was addressing this comment of Phat's;

quote:
The Orange Menace may resurface in 4 years, but hopefully the voting public will see the light and the fact that they are responsible for choosing better (than him)

With a mediocre economy at best, with $4 per gallon gasoline, an uncontrollable mess at our southern border, and a non-existent second amendment, all within the next 4, or even 2, years, the voting public just might form a whole new opinion of the orange man, and how things were during HIS presidency.

There will, then, be no more good discussions here.

As there are now, with practically no moderates or conservatives here?


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marc9000
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Posts: 1214
From: Ky U.S.
Joined: 12-25-2009


Message 146 of 152 (884395)
02-15-2021 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by LamarkNewAge
02-14-2021 11:21 PM


Re: Critical thinking warning: Don't let politicians conflate protesting with violence.
Another single thread, at least, for these 3 policy discussions, is called for.

Hmmm, not sure what the penalty is here for impersonating a moderator. Probably varies depending on if the offender is a liberal or conservative.


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