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Rahvin
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Message 475 of 480 (920879)
12-03-2024 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 474 by Percy
12-03-2024 10:02 AM


Ill disagree.
Hunter was explicitly targeted for political reasons. The usual punishment for what he actually did is a plea deal. There was a plea deal, and it was derailed...by political opponents.
The power of the pardon is explicitly for addressing miscarriages of justice, which this absolutely 100% was. He should have had consequences, the plea deal should have happened, but the pardon power is all or nothing.
Biden's mistake was promising not to pardon him.
Meanwhile, Trump pardoned people of far worse crimes, and is now appointing the criminals he had to pardon to political and powerful positions. Biden is not showing that he's "the same" unless you sane-wash Trump's actions to the degree that our media loves to.
Biden's pardon was appropriate to address an actuall miscarriage of justice. Trump's pardons are simple "get out of jail free" cards to let his cronies escape consequences when their convictions were utterly fair and took special care to ensure no political bias. They are not the same. Noit at all.

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Rahvin
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Message 478 of 480 (920897)
12-05-2024 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 476 by Percy
12-03-2024 5:59 PM


Half the country voted for Trump, and so it is likely that a very sizable portion of the country doesn't see Hunter Biden's treatment as a miscarriage of justice.
Sure, but I'm past considering the opinions of Trump voters. At this point they're either stupid or evil or *both.* I just don't care what they think any more, unless they're ready to change and be better.
The pardon power isn't all or nothing. Pardons can be very specific in their application.
That's not what I meant. The pardon power cannot replace one punishment with another. It can target specific charges, that is all. Biden could have pardoned some specific charges and left others alone, but that wouldnt have addressed some of the issues.
Are you sure about that? I could only find one of possible significance, Charles Kushner, the father of Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Trump has selected him to serve as ambassador to France.
That might be the only one with a nomination so far. He issued plenty of other wildly inappropriate pardons.
To quote Politico, "Joe Biden’s broad reprieve for his son gives the president-elect new rationale for even more expansive pardons than those he issued in his first term."
No it doesn't. Trump already doesnt care about what's proper. He already inappropriately pardoned a bunch of people in his first term. Biden's actions weren't going to have an actual effect on Trump's pardon power no matter what. Im sure Trump et al will use Biden's pardon as a rhetorical device, but Trump announced intent to do more inappropriate pardons (like the Jan 6-ers) long before. This is more media sane-washing and pretending that the Dems need to be flawless while Trump can be lawless. To use a biblical reference, they are concerned about the splinter in their brother's eye while they ignore the plank in their own.
What proportion of the country sees it as a miscarriage of justice, or sees the legal charges against Trump's people as political witch hunts?
One of these groups bases their opinions on facts. The other bases their opinion on feelings and the word of Herr Fuhrer. They are not the same, and Im not concerned with the feelings of Nazis and Nazi-apologists. Fascism is a stupid movement for people making stupid decisions who should feel bad for falling for the lies and hate.

-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995...

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV)

-->Nihil supernum --> -->


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