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Omnivorous
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Message 374 of 473 (911364)
06-29-2023 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 368 by Phat
06-27-2023 7:09 PM


Re: Are Things The Same As They Have Always Been?
I don't want you to throw out your beliefs about Jesus. But the devil (we'll get back to him) quotes scripture, yes? Your faith is used cynically by hucksters and demagogues to suborn your reason.
If Jesus returned to drive out the money changers, how many churches would stand empty?
What Christian nationalists want now is not religious freedom but an oppressive religious liberty -- so that faith becomes a Get Out of the Law card that permits every harm done to others in the name of God. They are actually religious libertines. How does that differ from the Taliban?
Phat writes:
If Jesus is real, however (which I firmly believe that He is) we need to ask ourselves how He would ever reach a skeptic such as yourself who tossed the Bible aside years ago.
O ye of little faith! According to the Bible, Jesus can meet that challenge. Ask Paul the next time you walk the road to Damascus. You don't need to knock him down yourself.
We already know that the peanut gallery suffers from anti-conservative bias, which is perfectly fine.
No bias is "perfectly fine." Hard-learned, well-evidenced skepticism is not bias.
The problem is that the enemy (that sneaky spirit that God allowed to exist in order to temper us) has also convinced you that Christianity itself is problematic.
Always with the literal demonization: to disagree with a Christian is to be in league with the devil. Thumbing through the New Testament, I failed to find Jesus' charge to scourge demons from the unconverted: possessed pigs, yes; Samaritans, not so much.
Maybe you can help.
I think sometimes that secular humanist critical thinkers conflate conservatism with Christianity and throw the Holy Baby out with the MAGAT bathwater.
If you'd pull your head out of the hateful YouTube echo chambers, maybe you could hear Jesus more clearly. I don't think it's humanists conflating political views with religious ones to the detriment of both.
That would be you.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 382 of 473 (911415)
07-03-2023 7:28 PM
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07-03-2023 2:54 PM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
From my perspective:
Rand Paul = purely, peculiarly American nutjob
Kennedy = nutjob on the verge of fully delusional state
Cruz = cynical Ivy league elitist masquerading as a nutjob for political gain
Why would you call any of these characters a conservative? Is there some common core?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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