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Percy
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Message 378 of 473 (911370)
06-30-2023 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Theodoric
06-30-2023 9:46 AM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
While not impossible, Biden's a little too thin for obstructive sleep apnea to be likely, so there's a good chance it's central.
--Percy

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Message 379 of 473 (911371)
06-30-2023 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 377 by AZPaul3
06-30-2023 10:41 AM


Re: Senator Tammy Baldwin
AZPaul3 writes:
Only perception matters. That's how Trump defeated Clinton...
If Comey hadn't announced a reopening of the Clinton email investigation just a week ahead of the election the perceptions on that issue would have been significantly less concerning on election day. Many feel that was key to flipping the election to Trump, and I don't understand why Comey doesn't get more of the blame for throwing the country into what's going to end up being more than a decade of political chaos. It's not just the Trump insanity - Trump also cleared a pathway to increased political influence for all the conservative nuts in Congress, and he created a more political Supreme Court with much diminished regard for precedent.
--Percy

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Message 392 of 473 (911441)
07-04-2023 2:41 PM
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07-03-2023 2:54 PM


Re: Conservatives, anyone?
Phat writes:
Just out of curiousity, whats the difference between a good conservative candidate and a conservative nut? Where do you rate Ted Cruz? Rand Paul? The conservative Kennedy?
Any candidate of any political persuasion who stands upon consistent principles dedicated to the betterment of all citizens and the country in general is a good candidate.
An example of poorly principled politicians are those engaged in efforts to make those unlikely to vote for them less likely to vote. Another example, this more explicit, was when Tennessee statehouse Republicans voted to expel two Democrats earlier this year.
You can assess Cruz, Paul and Kennedy yourself according to these principles and arrive at your own conclusions.
--Percy

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Message 405 of 473 (911464)
07-07-2023 9:50 AM
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07-06-2023 7:12 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
Phat writes:
You've got a point. The problem with the Dems, however, is that they want to support too many groups and there is not enough money to go around. If they end up raising taxes, it wont help the situation.
If tax increases are used to fund improvements in healthcare, housing and nutrition, how would we not be better off?
Take just healthcare, for example. As Medicare spending has increased over time, lifespans have increased. That's what better healthcare will do. And here's a graph about Social Security's impact on lifespan showing that higher SS income leads to longer lifespans:
If we did the same for the general population the average quality of life would improve, and a happier, healthier population is also a more productive one.
--Percy

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Message 414 of 473 (911473)
07-07-2023 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by Phat
07-07-2023 2:53 PM


Re: It all ties in with the next leader after Biden.
I only have time to note one thing about your post. You're not replying to much that anyone here says. You're mostly responding to what your echo chamber claims they say.
For example, people here don't hate the rich. They hate when government gives the rich special treatment, the group that least needs it, but also the group most able to influence politicians, which they're not happy about, either.
--Percy

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Message 418 of 473 (911561)
07-15-2023 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 416 by marc9000
07-14-2023 10:59 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
marc9000 writes:
The Dems are in the drivers seat if that happens, and it's one of the reasons he's so protected and defended by the news media,...
The Washington Post is a liberal news outlet in both leadership and editorial outlook. Here are articles, editorials and columns with Biden's name in the headline over the past two weeks:
You can look through this and describe which ones are protecting and defending Biden and how they're doing it.
...the FBI,...
How is the FBI under the leadership of conservative Trump appointee Christopher Wray protecting and defending Biden?
...the DOJ etc.
How is the DOJ protecting and defending Biden, especially given the absence of the constant berating we saw under Trump of the DOJ not protecting and defending him enough.
--Percy

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Message 421 of 473 (911571)
07-16-2023 9:31 AM
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07-15-2023 10:14 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
marc9000 writes:
You can look through this and describe which ones are protecting and defending Biden and how they're doing it
How ya doin Percy, white power.
Project much?
I don't really understand your point, most of those headlines aren't derogatory towards Biden.
They're all the headlines from the Washington Post that mention Biden from the past two weeks. There was no selection or winnowing process. There's no need to read the articles, just the headline is enough. You said that the media is defending and protecting Biden, so in your mind, how are they doing that?
I'd like to see that list alongside of headlines containing the word "Trump" by the Washington post, over any period of time in the past 7 years for comparison, but you'd have to find that for me, I don't do the WP, not giving them my email address.
Absolutely, your wish is my command, oh goal post mover, since now apparently how WaPo protects and defends Biden depends upon what they've said about Trump. Do you want DeSantis, too? All the Republican candidates? Anyway, here are all the Trump headlines from same last two weeks as the Biden list. Now you should be able to describe for us how WaPo is protecting and defending Biden.
How is the FBI under the leadership of conservative Trump appointee Christopher Wray protecting and defending Biden?
Christopher Wray is no longer conservative. Several prominent people in politics have done 180's, almost always because of the way the money flows. Joe Scarborough made about $135,000 as a VERY conservative Republican Florida congressman in the 1990's. Now he makes $6 million per year as a liberal pundit. Former Clinton advisor Dick Morris went the other way, he now writes for the NY Post. It happens, different people have a harder time than others understanding these 180 degree flip flops, but few can deny they are real. 2 + years into the current Democrat administration, who knows how Wray's income has changed, not only in the amount, but where it comes from.
And there are Democrats who have become more conservative or joined the Republican party. How is politicians changing ideologies and affiliations evidence that Christopher Wray's have changed such that he is no longer a conservative or member of the Republican party, because he very much is still a conservative member of the Republican party.
The Republican party is providing an excellent example of eating their own. Look at what happened to Republicans like Raffensberger in Georgia, and Geraldine Roll, Lisa Marra, Lynn Constabile and Leslie Hoffman in Arizona. Republican Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer is suing Kari Lake over her vitriol and threats at the same time that she's receiving mention as a possible Trump running mate.
For Republicans, when things don't go their way they blame the people who happen to be in change at the time, whether they did anything wrong or improper or not. As far as anyone can tell, in the vast majority of cases they were just doing their jobs when a Republican lost an election. Republicans now seem to believe that Republican candidates cannot lose an election unless something nefarious has taken place, and rather than accepting that there's no evidence of wrongdoing they instead turn these people's lives into a living hell. Some have had to go into hiding.
Republicans are following the same playbook with Christopher Wray. He's just doing his job, but when the FBI was unable to find sufficient support for the many conspiracy theories Republicans have just made up out of thin air he was castigated before a House congressional committee.
Republicans are just going to have to accept that Christopher Wray's FBI was unable to find the evidence they wanted because it doesn't exist and not because Wray has suddenly become a Biden supporting liberal.
How is the DOJ protecting and defending Biden, especially given the absence of the constant berating we saw under Trump of the DOJ not protecting and defending him enough.

How DOJ protected Hunter Biden and his father - Washington Times
You can't just present a bare link. Please present the evidence for how the DOJ protected Hunter Biden and his father. I skimmed the article - good luck.
Cocaine found in the White House, case closed, don't know who did it, don't care.
It was found in the room where people taking White House tours are required to leave their cell phones.
The James Comer investigations, almost completely covered up in the mainstream news.
Aren't his committee's investigations still ongoing with no report released yet? Here's the latest press release I was able to find, from about a month ago: Comer: Oversight Committee’s Investigation into the Bidens’ Influence Peddling Continues:
House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer:
“Let’s be clear: the Department of Justice’s charges against President Biden’s son Hunter reveal a two-tiered system of justice. Hunter Biden is getting away with a slap on the wrist when growing evidence uncovered by the House Oversight Committee reveals the Bidens engaged in a pattern of corruption, influence peddling, and possibly bribery. These charges against Hunter Biden and sweetheart plea deal have no impact on the Oversight Committee’s investigation. We will not rest until the full extent of President Biden’s involvement in the family’s schemes are revealed.”
Given that Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene sit on the committee, it's no wonder it is high on innuendo and low on facts. Here are all the articles with Comer's name in the headlines at the Washington Post for the past few months. What do you believe was covered up?
By the way, I'm only back after a 3 month absence because of an email notification of a recent response to one of my messages. Couldn't resist a little more battle, but I'm about done for awhile again. Not as fun as it used to be.
I wish you made getting at the truth a higher priority than engaging in "a little more battle."
--Percy

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Message 424 of 473 (911575)
07-16-2023 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by marc9000
07-16-2023 6:33 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
marc9000 writes:
marc900 writes:
How ya doin Percy, white power.

Project much?
Just having fun.
Oh, you're one of those, say something terrible and then follow it with, "Hey, just having fun," as if that makes it okay.
Absolutely, your wish is my command, oh goal post mover, since now apparently how WaPo protects and defends Biden depends upon what they've said about Trump.
It's not really a goal post move, and it really does depend on how they've treated Trump.
So when you said the liberal media protects and defends Biden, what you really meant was that Trump has a great many legal difficulties for the news media to report on, while Biden has none, so you want the news media to report on the made up ones, like the ones we hear snippets of from the Comer committee.
There was not ONE headline about Biden in your list that implied that he's ever done anything illegal or shady.
But Biden hasn't done anything illegal or shady.
BIDEN TRIES TO UNCONSTITUNALLY FORGIVE STUDENT LOAN DEBT WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL.
I can't find this anywhere on the web. Did you actually type this in yourself in all caps, including the misspelling of "unconstitutionally". Anyway, this issue is older than two weeks, that's why there was nothing about it on my list.
But it's not uncommon for presidential initiatives to be challenged to the Supreme Court. There's nothing shady or illegal about it. The Supreme Court ruling came out a little over two weeks ago, and their argument that Congress controls the purse strings seems correct. Certainly there's some amount of presidential discretion, but it's not unlimited and the billions of dollars involved do seem like it should fall within the purview of Congress.
BIDEN MAKES NO STATEMENT CONCERNING COCAINE FOUND IN WHITE HOUSE
And you conclude something shady or illegal about Biden not commenting? The Secret Service reported that about 500 people came through the cell-phone storage room in the applicable timeframe and that they saw no way to figure out who left the cocaine behind, given that there was no DNA found on the package.
BIDEN REVERSES COURSE ON DECISION TO SEND CLUSTER AMMUNITION TO UKRAINE
You find this illegal or shady? Shouldn't the concerns be more along ethical/moral lines? They're banned in 123 countries. WaPo reported in detail on the cluster bomb issue, there were four articles about it in my list, I don't see how you missed them.
RECENT TESTIMONY SHOWS BIDEN LASHES OUT IN PROFANITY LACED TIRADES AGAINST WHITE HOUSE STAFFERS, AFTER EARLIER IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, HE SAID HE WOULD FIRE ANYONE WHO TREATED CO-WORKERS WITH DISRESPECT.
There's no WaPo article because it was an Axios scoop (Old yeller: Biden's private fury). Axios is a left leaning news outlet. It's disappointing to learn this, but it's not illegal or shady, though perhaps staff should register complaints with the appropriate department about a hostile work environment.
Now for the Trump headlines, roughly HALF of them imply illegality on Trump's part.
That's because Trump is under criminal investigation in multiple jurisdictions and has been indicted in two, one in Manhattan for illegal business practices, and another in Florida for mishandling confidential government documents.
Dozens of them in the Trump headlines, none in the Biden's headlines.
The reason for the disparity in the number of reports of alleged illegal actions is, again, because Trump is being investigated in multiple jurisdictions and Biden is under investigation in none.
And of course WaPo consistently reports on the Comer committee's activities.
I guess in the last 2 weeks there has been no new speculation about Biden's suspected foreign bribes.
Is that what you wanted reported in the news, speculation? If evidence is uncovered of Biden accepting foreign bribes then it should be investigated and if found true then he should be held accountable. If he accepted bribes while in office then he should be impeached.
But there's no evidence. There's only Republicans making up stories that they know will get their base really steamed.
You next included a bare link and said nothing about it, I won't either.
I hope it's now clear on how the WaPo protects Biden.
What's not clear is why you think you've shown this.
It's not because Trump did more things suspected of being illegal than Biden has,...
Except that Trump is under investigation for multiple criminal activities and has already been indicted in two. Biden isn't under any criminal investigations, and he certainly hasn't been indicted.
...most of those Trump headlines were based on political speculation, not hardcore facts.
No, not most, and I explicitly stated that I included articles, columns and editorials.
The U.S. founders used the actual term BRIBE as a reason for impeachment. Biden is suspected of bribery by foreign nations much more than Trump ever was.
There's no evidence that Biden accepted bribes. He is not under any suspicion. If Comer's committee actually finds some evidence then Biden should be held accountable.
Then why do his [FBI Director Wray] recent actions suggest that he might be a Democrat now?
Like I said, you Republicans like to eat your own. If you want to believe Wray is a closet Democrat now I won't try to dissuade you.
One of the WaPo headlines was "Why can't Republicans quit Trump?" Polls show that a majority of Democrats don't want Biden to seek a second term. His ratings are currently below 40%. I didn't notice a headline "Why can't Democrats quit Biden?"
WaPo has not been shy about reporting on Biden's polling numbers. Obviously support for Biden is fading among many Democrats.
Republicans are just going to have to accept that Christopher Wray's FBI was unable to find the evidence they wanted because it doesn't exist and not because Wray has suddenly become a Biden supporting liberal.
That's just something you and I will never agree on, time might make the truth about Wray more clear in the next year or two.
Is this the same as how the evidence that the 2020 election was stolen will be made public soon?
You can't just present a bare link. Please present the evidence for how the DOJ protected Hunter Biden and his father. I skimmed the article - good luck.
quote:
Between 2018 and 2023, you would not believe the acrobatics that Biden-friendly DOJ bureaucracy went through to try to kill the case.
It's complicated, but it's summarized well in that link. You skimmed too fast.
It's still a bare link. If you'd like the article's arguments and evidence to become part of the discussion then you must describe them yourself.
Aren't his committee's investigations still ongoing with no report released yet?
Yes, just like a lot of investigations into Trump were ongoing with no official report released, but that didn't stop the mainstream media from spending a lot of time giving the play-by-play, complete with their Democrat friendly speculation and guesses.
But I listed a bunch of WaPo articles about the Comer committee's investigation into Biden. It isn't the media's fault that Trump did so many things worth investigating.
Here are all the articles with Comer's name in the headlines at the Washington Post for the past few months. What do you believe was covered up?
There hasn't been ONE WORD about any of it on ABC World News Tonight.
How many times have I explained to you the limited range of coverage a half-hour nightly news program can provide? You complain about them all the time, you must have a masochistic streak that keeps you watching them.
And probably also not on CBS or NBC's evening news programs.
I wouldn't know. You can only get a tiny sliver of news on a half-hour nightly news program. Your time might be better spent.
It terrifies them of course, and the Republicans whose fault they're told it is.
The party terrifying people with fictions is the Republicans.
Many Biden voters have said they'd have never voted for him if they'd have known about the Hunter Biden laptop story that the evening news broadcasts completely covered up.
There was nothing regarding illegalities on the Hunter Biden laptop. I think you're obsessed with television.
Gotta go now, almost time for the evening news.
Enjoy.
--Percy

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Message 425 of 473 (911578)
07-17-2023 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 422 by marc9000
07-16-2023 6:33 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
There's an apropos column in today's post: The MAGA persecution complex is eating itself to death. It echos what I was just saying. A few excerpts:
Columnist Greg Sargent at the Washington Post:
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) chaired a House Judiciary Committee hearing last week that purported to expose the FBI’s “weaponization” against conservatives. But GOP lawmakers floated so many allegations and conspiracy theories that the spectacle devolved into a haphazard, scattered mess with no storylines developed in meaningful depth.
...
Blame it on the “MAGA persecution complex” — the vast array of outlets in the right-wing media ecosystem that incentivizes GOP lawmakers to pander to conservative victimization and grievance. It’s feasting on so many claims of persecution that it’s essentially eating itself to death.
At last week’s hearing, Republicans alleged that the FBI investigated conservative parents at school board meetings. (That’s entirely baseless.) They insisted FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, a registered Republican, personally sicced the FBI on conservatives. (Wray called this “insane.”) They claimed the FBI has eagerly persecuted Trump. (The FBI has actually been rule-bound and cautious.) They railed that FBI plants incited the Jan. 6, 2021, attack. (The central evidence of this has collapsed.)
Republicans even insisted the FBI is riddled with anti-Catholic bias based on a field-level memo about radical right-wing Catholics that is indeed problematic. But Wray admitted to a serious error, declaring it subject to internal review. Presenting one example of abuse at a huge agency as proof of another vast conspiracy is silly.
The barrage of these allegations and others — the FBI is covering up President Biden’s bribery, it’s investigating would-be GOP informants, it’s colluding with social media giants to censor conservatives — is dizzying. Storylines eclipse each other before any can gel into something coherent.
“Good oversight may start with a theory, but it gathers facts before reaching conclusions,” Brendan Buck, a former senior House GOP leadership aide, told me. “These committees are starting with conclusions and then trying — and mostly failing — to find facts to support them.”
--Percy

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Message 429 of 473 (911608)
07-19-2023 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 426 by marc9000
07-18-2023 5:25 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
marc9000 writes:
marc9000 writes:
Just having fun.

Oh, you're one of those, say something terrible and then follow it with, "Hey, just having fun," as if that makes it okay.
Terrible? It's just an ancient, outdated KKK greeting. Did that break forum rules? It's nothing compared some of the names I've been called here. But really, you should just lighten up. Learn to laugh at yourself. If you don't, I'll be glad to laugh at yourself.
Oh, an old KKK greeting with no smiley. Nothing terrible at all. What fun! Your sense of humor might need some calibration.
So when you said the liberal media protects and defends Biden, what you really meant was that Trump has a great many legal difficulties for the news media to report on, while Biden has none, so you want the news media to report on the made up ones, like the ones we hear snippets of from the Comer committee.
Nothing made up, Comer has bank records, he has evidence of Biden-created shell companies, the list is long.
Comer *says* he has "obtained thousands of pages of financial records revealing the Biden family and associates’ complicated network of companies set up during Joe Biden’s vice presidency and the millions the Bidens received from foreign sources." (Comer Reveals New Evidence in Biden Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability). That was over two months ago and Comer's committee has still released no report. There's no data or evidence for the news media to examine.
If Comer's committee is able to prove his allegations true then Biden should be held accountable. But the standard is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, not innuendo. By the way, here's a diagram of Trump shell companies drawn from information in his 2018 financial disclosure forms:
When there's a similar diagram for the Biden family you let us know.
Tomorrow should be interesting, a hearing involving 2 whistleblowers, a 3rd FBI agent has recently corroborated what they've said. I won't have time to watch, but I'll get recaps of it. We'll see if the Democrats have anything besides anger.
You're referring to today's House Oversight and Accountability committee's Hearing with IRS Whistleblowers About the Biden Criminal Investigation. This document outlines what the committee will be doing today:
quote:
Whistleblowers from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) who worked on and helped lead the Hunter Biden tax investigation have come forward to provide information to Congress regarding possible mishandling of the investigation by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Delaware, the Department of Justice (DOJ), and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The two whistleblowers’ accounts indicate the investigation has not been handled in an appropriate and fair manner. The whistleblowers also allege retaliation by the IRS since they came forward to Congress to provide this information.
If criminal and treasonous activities were carried on by the Bidens then I hope they are uncovered and the Biden's held accountable, but Comer still seems to be seeking the evidence that a couple months ago he claimed he already had. One gets the feeling that he just likes creating occasions where he can say things like "Biden crime family."
Trump has legal problems all right, floozies from decades ago claiming he stared at them too long. Much different than Biden's treason I guess.
Not sure if you're referring to Daniels or Carroll. If Carroll then that's something I've never mentioned, a civil case brought by Jeanne Carol against Trump for defamation, which Trump lost. She had previously brought a second case which is moving more slowly, and Trump is expected to lose that one, too.
If you're referring to the Daniels case, then Trump is under state indictment in the Manhattan district for illegal business practices engineered to hide payoffs. And Trump is under federal indictment in Florida for mishandling confidential documents.
And you conclude something shady or illegal about Biden not commenting?
Very comparable to several derogatory Trump headlines from your list. "The staggering scale of Trump's speaking fees...", "Trump reveals new details about $1 billion in earnings..." several other headlines there.
You'll have to explain the similarity you're seeing because I don't think it's apparent to anyone else. A column about how much larger Trump speaking fees are than Biden or Clinton or about where he earned his money in his post-presidential period seems like a completely different animal from not commenting on cocaine found in a part of the White House with tourist access.
The Secret Service reported that about 500 people came through the cell-phone storage room in the applicable timeframe and that they saw no way to figure out who left the cocaine behind, given that there was no DNA found on the package.
And if it would have happened in the Trump white house, they'd have figured it out. The bias in the FBI and DOJ do seem to be bleeding into the Secret Service.
Oh, yeah, the Trump White House was all-knowing and all-powerful. Why does it make sense to you that immature braggadocio like this has any credibility. You're engaged in "my dad can beat up your dad" level stuff, not informed discussion.
marc9000 writes:
BIDEN REVERSES COURSE ON DECISION TO SEND CLUSTER AMMUNITION TO UKRAINE
You find this illegal or shady? Shouldn't the concerns be more along ethical/moral lines? They're banned in 123 countries. WaPo reported in detail on the cluster bomb issue, there were four articles about it in my list, I don't see how you missed them.
That wasn't the point. The phrase "REVERSES COURSE", was constantly used by the liberal pundits and the supposed unbiased news anchors every time Trump made a decision in reaction to changing events. That phrase is forgotten now when referring to anything Biden does.
I don't think anyone knows what you're on about. You believe "reverses course" had a negative connotation for Trump but not for Biden? How is a headline that includes the phrase "reverses course" an example of protecting and defending Biden? Most of the press I've seen about the cluster bomb decision has been neutral to negative. If the reasoning they provided is true, that they had to provide them in order that Ukraine have something to fire at the Russians because we're running out of normal munitions to supply to Ukraine then that reflects mismanagement of the supply effort, since the run rate is an obvious factor to track.
That, and the "fixer" reference to Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen,...
Handling illegal payoffs to tryst mates is something fixers do, and it's what Michael Cohen did, so he's a fixer.
(while Biden's personal lawyer Bob Bauer is / was NEVER referenced like that with Biden, or when he served under Obama for that matter.)
What are you alleging Bauer did that would earn the label of fixer? Can I guess that it will be more innuendo?
It's this kind of cleverness and distortion by the news media that could have very well tipped the scales for Biden just as much as the Hunter Biden laptop cover-up did.
Until you have evidence of Bauer engaging in fixer type activities, there's no "cleverness or distortion" here. It's all in your mind.
Nothing can be done about this of course, in the end, it's the largely disinterested public's gullibility. And it's their fault. And you'll keep right on claiming that there is no bias in the mainstream media.
We're not talking about bias. You claimed that the mainstream media protects and defends Biden, and I asked for examples. You have yet to show any. Everything you've said so far seems like the emanations of a mind not thinking clearly and that doesn't understand the difference between evidence and innuendo.
There's no WaPo article because it was an Axios scoop (Old yeller: Biden's private fury). Axios is a left leaning news outlet. It's disappointing to learn this, but it's not illegal or shady, though perhaps staff should register complaints with the appropriate department about a hostile work environment.
And the public doesn't know about it, evening reports won't touch it. 15 minutes of the half hour reports would be all over it if it were Trump.
Many outlets picked up on the Axios scoop, for example:
This is the opposite of evidence of the press protecting and defending Biden.
That's because Trump is under criminal investigation in multiple jurisdictions and has been indicted in two, one in Manhattan for illegal business practices, and another in Florida for mishandling confidential government documents.
And Biden is under criminal investigation for foreign bribery by the recently elected Republican congress.
Except that that is totally false. This is getting tiresome. You've barely said one true thing in your entire post so far.
Biden is not under criminal investigation in any jurisdiction anywhere, not local, state or federal. He is under investigation by the Republican led Committee on Oversight and Accountability, which has yet to release a report.
How many points the angry Democrats score tomorrow will determine how much of that hearing the general public sees on the evening news.
I think you're obsessed with television news and way overrate its impact.
And of course WaPo consistently reports on the Comer committee's activities.
And the evening news, where so many voters get a glimpse of what's going on, never touch it.
Fox News is watched by the largest single segment of television news watchers, which is apparently around 50% of the country.
Is that what you wanted reported in the news, speculation?
Why yes, there is / was tons of it when it came to Trump / Russian collusion. There's a lot of it in the anti-Trump headlines you posted above.
Now you're just making stuff up. Russia wasn't mentioned in any of those headlines, and Putin only once. Go back and look at the list: Message 421.
You're railing against speculation, obviously you don't like it, yet that's what you want the press to do to Biden because you believe that's what was done to Trump. You want tit-for-tat instead of honest reporting,
and you're so biased that you see Russia references in headlines that never mention Russia and only mention Putin once.
But there's no evidence. There's only Republicans making up stories that they know will get their base really steamed.
Comer has bank records, and other evidence.
It's one thing to claim to have evidence of wrongdoing and another to actually have it. When we see the evidence we'll know. For now we have only the word of a Committee chair with a history of unreliability who has put the cart before the horse by naming the crimes before he's found the evidence.
The time will come when it will be all over conservative news,...
Is this like, "The time will come when we'll have evidence that the 2020 election was stolen."
Just like the southern border a few months ago...
Isn't it strange that after the Trump border rules finally lapsed that illegal entries are the lowest they've been in a long while? But Biden's asylum rules are being challenged in court today, and that so many are trapped in fetid camps just across the border in Mexico is a humanitarian crime. They are human beings. We should be working hard with Mexico to improve conditions and to expedite their transition back into civilization.
marc9000 writes:
I hope it's now clear on how the WaPo protects Biden.

What's not clear is why you think you've shown this.
It's clear only by looking at the two lists of headlines you posted, that is, if the person looking doesn't live in the tiny mainstream news bubble, and doesn't know what's going on with Biden.
Nobody else is seeing what you think you're seeing. You could look at a tree and see Biden bias. You're thinking is crazed with pro-Trump anti-Biden thinking with no room for reflection or objectivity.
Biden isn't under any criminal investigations, and he certainly hasn't been indicted.
They've had over 6 years to attack Trump, complete with indictments. Speaker Pelosi blocked any investigations of Biden the first two years of his presidency. Give it a little more time, starting tomorrow.
Once more you're claiming, "Just wait, the evidence will be there." I can tell you sincerely that if and when the evidence you claim will be produced actually *is* produced that I will be right there alongside you calling for Biden's head, but not before. So far all you have is innuendo and a drug-addled son behaving badly.
Is this the same as how the evidence that the 2020 election was stolen will be made public soon?
Could be, just like evidence of how Trump / Russian collusion was proven a lie, oh wait it was!!
There was no proof it was a lie. As the Mueller report made clear, the evidence was insufficient to prove conspiracy, noting that obstruction of justice made uncovering such evidence, if it existed, impossible. But there were numerous links between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and evidence of those links is what initiated the investigation. For instance, the Trump campaign was able to coordinate with the release of the DNC emails stolen by the Russians and passed to Wikileaks because they were in communication with the Russians and Wikileaks through Roger Stone, pardoned by Trump, by the way. None of this is a lie.
How about this; between 2018 and 2023, the Biden-friendly DOJ...
Trump was president for over half this period. How do you figure the DOJ was "Biden-friendly" while Trump was president? Why would the Trump DOJ even care about Biden, since through most of Trump's presidency he wasn't even considered a likely candidate?
...combined with the complicit news media,...
You need to stop saying this until you're able to make a coherent argument supporting it.
...went through a lot of acrobatics to keep the public from seeing things about Biden they don't want them to see.
Except so far there's nothing to see except innuendo and that he yells at his staff.
How many times have I explained to you the limited range of coverage a half-hour nightly news program can provide?
About as many times as I've explained how influential those half hour programs are, how many millions more get their recaps of news there, rather than headlines in newspapers, many of those headlines buried in the back pages.
More of them watching Fox News than any other.
It's well spent, it's important to get some ideas of how voters get their news,...
It's up to you how you spend your time, but that doesn't change the fact that only a tiny sliver of all the news can be squeezed into a half-hour news program.
...about just how the biased news media misinforms and distorts.
Every time you're challenged on this you fail to show it, just like in your recent posts, which are long on claims and short on any actual evidence.
There was nothing regarding illegalities on the Hunter Biden laptop. I think you're obsessed with television.
Nothing but plenty of suspicion. I'm obsessed about cover-ups.
Your mind is obsessed with conspiracy-style thinking.

--Percy

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Message 430 of 473 (911609)
07-19-2023 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 427 by marc9000
07-18-2023 5:54 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
I really don't know what you're on about. Of course the "eat their own" meme resonates, because it is so true. I provided a number of examples of it from the 2020 election. Trump is the biggest devourer of his own, doing his best to destroy many who used to work for him, like Omarosa Manigault, John Kelly, Anthony Scaramucci, James Comey, Michael Cohen and Alexander Vindman.
The fact remains, the worst situation imaginable is to be a Republican election official in a district where a Republican loses a close election.
Republican accusations of social media giants censoring conservatives is "dizzying", according to your c/p, when there was no secret of them censoring Trump when he was president? Twitter files prove that there really was conservative censoring of others besides just Trump. Is that proof dizzying?
The idea that Trump was censored during his presidency is absurd. He sought out cameras at every opportunity and received a remarkable amount of air time. The more outrageous his comments the more air time he got, and he knew it.
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Message 431 of 473 (911610)
07-19-2023 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 428 by marc9000
07-18-2023 6:02 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
marc9000 writes:
Republicans have a LOT TO DO, a lot to catch up on. With speaker Pelosi's blockage of any investigations during Biden's first two years, and all the corruption of Biden's eight years of his vice presidency, it only appears to be a "scattered mess" to those who are afraid of it. It will take some time, Democrats will really have to be on their toes to shield the public from it as much as they can.
Once again, you have not a shred of evidence. For how many years are going to run on and on about the evidence being imminent?
I keep telling you that when the criminal evidence becomes available that I'll be right there with you condemning the Bidens, but the signs don't look good that such evidence exists. Investigations that have substance tend to play things close to the vest (Robert Mueller, Jack Smith), while those that have little try to make as much noise as possible (John Durham, James Comer).
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Message 432 of 473 (911611)
07-19-2023 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by marc9000
07-18-2023 5:25 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
I'm replying to again to this part because I just saw a relevant CNN article: Oversight Committee to hear from 2 IRS whistleblowers Wednesday | CNN Politics
marc9000 in Message 426 writes:
Tomorrow should be interesting, a hearing involving 2 whistleblowers, a 3rd FBI agent has recently corroborated what they've said. I won't have time to watch, but I'll get recaps of it. We'll see if the Democrats have anything besides anger.
The Hunter Biden investigator overseeing the Hunter Biden probe is US Attorney David Weiss, who was appointed by Trump. Many of the investigative decisions that the whistleblowers are calling attention to occurred while Trump was still in office.
I expect that in keeping with the "eat your own" theme that you will blame this on a Biden-sympathetic DOJ that somehow existed under Trump at a time when Trump was constantly berating Attorney General William Sessions to become more active in attacking his enemies. The Hunter Biden probe began in October of 2018 and Sessions didn't resign until June 12, 2020, so Sessions was the AG for a year and a half of the Biden probe.
Sessions was succeeded by Barr, an even stronger Trump supporter with of view of almost unchecked presidential power, and so for most of the remainder of the Trump administration US Attorney David Weiss worked under Barr. Adding it up, 2¼years of the Hunter Biden probe was conducted while Trump was still president.
Merrick Garland was confirmed on March 10, 2021 and the investigation continued, and Biden has been president for about 2½ years. And so even though much of the investigation took place under the Trump administration which was hostile to Hunter Biden interests, many of the whistleblower complaints are from that period. It sounds like these whistleblowers have different views of what decisions should have been made. Legal disagreements seem a natural part of any legal process, and it's not clear why the whistleblowers think certain decisions rose to the level of actual improprieties. But if there are actual improprieties then many of them took place under Trump.
What seems likely is that the Justice Department handled the Hunter Biden probe in a manner that was fairly consistent across the Trump and Biden administrations and that these whistleblowers simply disagreed with the way it was being handled. Again, why they felt these internal disagreements needed to become public and why they felt they needed whistleblower status is something we don't yet know.
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Message 434 of 473 (911626)
07-20-2023 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 433 by marc9000
07-20-2023 10:05 AM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
marc9000 writes:
When there's a similar diagram for the Biden family you let us know.
I won't be able to do that, because the Biden's aren't business people - they don't / never have produced a product or service, unlike the Trumps. But they deal in millions of dollars. What is it that Biden sold for millions of dollars during his vice-presidency?
People who have evidence deal in evidence. People who don't have evidence deal in innuendo. By dealing in innuendo you're creating the strong impression that there's no evidence for what you're saying. If there's any truth behind what you're saying then I suggest you begin dealing in evidence.
If criminal and treasonous activities were carried on by the Bidens then I hope they are uncovered and the Biden's held accountable, but Comer still seems to be seeking the evidence that a couple months ago he claimed he already had. One gets the feeling that he just likes creating occasions where he can say things like "Biden crime family."
We'll have to see how it plays out,...
I keep telling you this. Nice to see you buy in, except that next you say:
...but a big part of that will be how much of it is shielded from the public.
In other words, if no evidence is uncovered of Biden crimes it's not because it didn't happen but because the evidence was kept from the public. You're following the Trump playbook, claiming things happened for which there is no evidence. "There was massive fraud in the 2020 election." "The FBI is responsible for January 6th." The lies just go on and on.
The shielding we're starting out with is really unbelievable. Let's see, January 6th 2021 happened about 900 days ago. I'd estimate that most people who don't live under a rock have seen carefully edited footage of that day somewhere around 200 to 300 times. Monday evening, ABC's David Muir showed it yet again, as he was ejaculating all over himself about Trump's latest indictment.
You're projecting again. Not everyone is as obsessed with TV news as you.
Tuesday morning, ABC's "Good Morning America" show , featuring former Clinton sidekick George Stephanopoulos did the same thing. No comments on either show about the upcoming Hunter Biden hearing. Wednesday morning and evening on those two shows, NO MENTION of the hearing. When the hearing started, I watched the first 15 minutes or so. Flipped around to all the other channels that had a chance of showing it. ABC, CBS, NBC, nothing. CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, even both C-spans, nothing. Though I don't know how C-span works, it might record these types of things and show them in detail later. But without Fox New, there would have been no real time coverage. Now about some other hearings from the past:
The Comer committee hearing featuring the IRS whistleblowers that interested you so much was thought of so little importance that it wasn't even on the page listing yesterday's House committee hearings. You had to click on "Click here for more" in order to see that one. From your description it sounds like the video news media thought it not worthy of live coverage. But print articles about it appeared yesterday afternoon in both the Post and the Times and undoubtedly many other outlets. It wasn't ignored.
Don't you have better things to do than flip through channels looking for coverage of your favorite committee? Maybe a sport or hobby?
marc9000 quoting Fox News writes:
quote:
However, the two liberal networks that carried every hearing involving Russiagate, the Ukraine scandal, Jan. 6 and both impeachments of former President Trump, declined to cover the IRS whistleblowers that fuel corruption allegations against the Democrat currently in the White House. They instead aired limited segments recapping the testimony.
That would be very impressive if CNN and MSNBC carried every hearing involving all those things, but whether they did or not, every one of those things seem far more important than two IRS whistleblowers who expressed concerns about things that happened as much under Trump as under Biden. Your link (CNN, MSNBC skip live coverage of IRS whistleblower hearing on explosive Hunter Biden probe claims) didn't mention that the same problems they were concerned about under Trump continued under Biden. Sounds like things were managed fairly consistently across the two administrations. These IRS employees were unhappy about how the investigation was conducted under Trump, and they remained unhappy about it under Biden.
Your link also didn't mention that the lead investigator of the Hunter Biden probe, David Weiss, appointed by Trump, disagrees with the IRS agents and says that they have somehow arrived at misinterpretations of comments made at several meetings.
You'll have to explain the similarity you're seeing because I don't think it's apparent to anyone else. A column about how much larger Trump speaking fees are than Biden or Clinton or about where he earned his money in his post-presidential period seems like a completely different animal from not commenting on cocaine found in a part of the White House with tourist access.
That bag of cocaine was DESTROYED.
I very much doubt that. Normally evidence is only destroyed by court order. Where does your information come from? Can I guess Trump?
And there's now a suspicion that the FBI destroyed Hunter Biden's laptop.
Yep, must have been Trump, because he mentioned the cocaine and Hunter Biden at the same time recently, saying, "THEY 100% KNOW WHO IT IS. If they don’t release information, it means they destroyed the tapes & the Cocaine was for use by Hunter, & probably Crooked Joe, in order to give this total disaster of a President a little life and energy!" But you misread it. Trump said they destroyed the tapes, not the cocaine.
I very much doubt the Secret Service destroyed the cocaine or the security tapes. There's still a chance that information might come to light that would allow them to reopen the investigation, perhaps an anonymous tip.
You come across as highly biased when drugs found in a tourist-accessible part of the White House leads you to such wild conclusions.
NO REPORTS IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
And that's a good thing. They're getting better at ignoring Trump when he lies or makes things up.
I'm engaged in a concern of political bias in the FBI, DOJ, and Secret Service, not in "braggadocio", "my dad can beat up your dad", or anything else you made up for some reason.
You're engaged in fabrications through rumor and innuendo. And about braggadocio, what else could "And if it would have happened in the Trump white house, they'd have figured it out" be except playground braggadocio.
I don't think anyone knows what you're on about. You believe "reverses course" had a negative connotation for Trump but not for Biden? How is a headline that includes the phrase "reverses course" an example of protecting and defending Biden?
It's not hard to understand.
It's not hard to understand that you're very confused.
When the news media constantly refers to Trump decisions as "reversing course" it implies that he made a blunder in his first decision. The Biden administration is full of blunders and course reversals, but the news media never refers to anything about it as "reversing course".
You quoted a headline with "BIDEN REVERSES COURSE" in it and now you're contradicting yourself by claiming that the news media never says that Biden reverses course. That headline was about sending cluster bombs to Ukraine. Biden also reversed course on tanks and jets and the heaviness of the munitions we would send, and probably other things.
Like I said, no one knows what you're on about. Changing one's mind and reversing course in a rapidly changing world seems fine to me, whether it was Trump or Biden or any leader. What matters is the quality of the decisions given the current facts on the ground.
But Trump is very impulsive, and he reversed course constantly even when nothing had changed, except maybe that someone said something he didn't like. When your man reverses course for no reason you gotta own it. The Trump administration was chaos, and reporters were there to capture a great deal of it. It isn't as if you can pretend it didn't happen.
Handling illegal payoffs to tryst mates is something fixers do, and it's what Michael Cohen did, so he's a fixer.
Aaaand the FBI, DOJ, Secret Service, and mainstream media showing clear political favoritism is also what "fixers" do.
Once again you're making accusations without evidence. Michael Cohen when confronted by the evidence pled guilty and served time in jail. You haven't presented any evidence of anything you've said. All you've got is innuendo and a promise that the evidence will show up someday, and that if it doesn't then that's proof of a coverup. You've got the Trump tango down pat.
Fox News isn't an over-the-air channel, it's not right beside over-the-air local news shows that millions of Americans depend on. Many Americans will never pay for premium television. People are flocking to Fox News of course, there's internet information about these hearings, more and more people are becoming aware of mainstream media cover ups.
You're daft. Fox News is the top rated news show in the country.
It's up to you how you spend your time, but that doesn't change the fact that only a tiny sliver of all the news can be squeezed into a half-hour news program.
Especially when 90% of that news program is JANUARY 6TH!!!!!!!!! and climate change terror.
Again, why are you watching programs you find so objectionable? I still think you could find a better way to spend your time.
This is getting tiresome. You've barely said one true thing in your entire post so far.
That's the first true thing you've said, it really is getting tiresome. And if nothing I've said is true, you have defeated me!
You need evidence. It doesn't matter how high you pile innuendo, it still doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
--Percy

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Message 439 of 473 (911661)
07-22-2023 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 436 by marc9000
07-21-2023 8:46 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
marc9000 writes:
Returning upon invitation only.
You sound like Kleinman.
--Percy

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