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marc9000
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Message 193 of 291 (888708)
09-29-2021 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Pressie
09-29-2021 9:51 AM


I stopped reading because you told an untruth. Anyone with an IQ of more than 45 saw that untruth immediately. I know that an IQ of more than 45 doesn't apply to you, but your further Gish Gallops won't change that fact that you told an untruth.

Here it is again, you clearly didn't read it.

quote:
U.S. vice presidents have more access to leisure time and air travel than most U.S. dads have to leisure time and car travel. 8 years is 2920 days. It's common for U.S. children to ride with their dads in cars hundreds of times over a period of 8 years.

Is that too brief for you? Should I elaborate on that more? Probably not, you wouldn't read it.


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marc9000
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Message 203 of 291 (888806)
10-07-2021 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by ringo
10-05-2021 11:45 AM


It's a non-sequitur.

"Children" riding in cars with their dads "hundreds of times" does not translate to the Vice President's son flying to foreign countries hundreds of times with his father.

Well, I admit, many dads have job responsibilities and other obligations that could prevent them from overindulging in taking their kids for car rides. They even have to pay for the gas! Not only do vice presidents have very few constitutional responsibilities, they don't even have to pay for fuel for Airforce two! The taxpayers do that!

According to Secret Service records, the number of trips Hunter took with dad during his vice presidency was 411.

‘Breaking the News’ Reveals: Secret Service Records Show Hunter Biden Took at Least 23 flights Through Joint Base Andrews, Home of Air Force One and Two - Judicial Watch

Please read down the link to see the 411 number.

also;

quote:
Like Obama, Biden has done his fair share of globetrotting: The vice president has circled the globe over the past eight years—and you'd better believe there were some great selfie moments throughout those travels.

Admittedly, none of the pics in the following link seem to show Hunter anywhere. He musta ducked out of the way just in time!

A Look Back at Vice President Joe Biden's Travels?


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marc9000
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Message 204 of 291 (888807)
10-07-2021 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by AZPaul3
10-05-2021 4:04 PM


Re: Mi AF1 es su AF1
Can someone explain to me why anyone should care if Biden and son went on a plane trip?

It has to do with corruption and national security questions, Hunter's ties to politics and a foreign energy company.

Trump's children never got near suspicions like that, yet were targeted by the media for just about any activity they got involved in, including showing pictures of their children. I don't see any issues with national security there.

quote:
Given that many of Ivanka’s posts carry a sheen of self-promotion, it’s not surprising that the controversial first daughter faces pretty intense backlash on all of them, including those that feature her kids.

https://www.mercurynews.com/...sing-her-kids-on-social-media

Intense backlash? For self-promotion? What a crime!

Watch: Melania Trump blasts media for attacks on son, Barron, says "children should be off limits"

quote:
The first ladies who have occupied the White House since then – Laura Bush, Michelle Obama, Melania Trump – have not held positions within the administration. But of these three, only one was met with such a high level of vitriol from certain quarters of the press despite conducting herself with grace and class: Mrs. Trump.

A prime example of this occurred after the now former first lady decorated the White House for Christmas in 2018. As you may recall, red trees were part of her selection. Benign enough. It's just holiday decorations after all.

And then came the avalanche:

Washington Post:

"All the nightmares inspired by the White House’s blood-red Christmas trees."

Buzzfeed:

"This forest of trees that literally look like they're dripping in deep, red blood.

The Guardian:

"The first lady’s meme-ready holiday decorations detach viewers from nature, according to psychology experts."

ABC News:

"After 'The Handmaid’s Tale' references, Melania Trump defends her red Christmas trees."

And then there was Melania Trump's rearrangement of the Rose Garden last year, which Slate called "fit for an unchecked presidency" and "Versailles in miniature." One CNN political analyst accused her of cutting down "Jackie Kennedy's trees."

"Melania dug up the WH Rose Garden, removing roses from every First Lady since 1913," Occupy Democrats alleged in a post that went viral.

Several fact-checks shot down these ridiculous claims. But, as the saying goes, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.”


And with ABC World News Tonight, the shoes don't repair the lies too often.

quote:
Allegations are shared more on social media than are exonerations.

Per USA Today: "Based on our research, claims that first lady Melania Trump removed historic cherry trees and roses in her recent renovation of the White House's Rose Garden are FALSE. The trees that were relocated were crabapple trees, and roses from previous gardens had likely already died or been replaced before the renovation."

"The renovation also improved accessibility under the Americans with Disabilities Act," the fact-check adds.

These two examples – around such small-potatoes as Christmas trees and roses – underscore what met the now-former first lady on a regular basis. Even her accent was mocked on national television by the pope of late night, Jimmy Kimmel — and this occurred while she was reading to children during a White House Easter event. The backlash was swift, forcing Kimmel to apologize.

But the true low point came after Mrs. Trump had to undergo a procedure on her kidney, which required hospitalization afterward. Two weeks later, speculation of the grossest kind emerged after she wasn't seen publicly while recovering.

Here's one Rolling Stone senior writer's guessing that the first lady was being beaten at the White House by her presidential husband, generating 20,000 likes and apparently not in violation of Twitter’s super-selective "Terms of Service":

"I wish that I didn’t suspect that the prolonged, poorly explained public absence of Melania Trump could be about concealing abuse. I wish that it was a ludicrous prospect. I wish that the @POTUS wasn’t a man with a history of abusing women, including those to whom he is married."


I wonder what kind of put-downs like this could be done against Jill Biden. We'll never know, conservative commentary and media isn't that scummy.

Need some examples of the attacks on Eric and Donald jr. over the past 6 years? Sorry, not wasting any more of my time on that. But it's a fact that they've never been crackheads like Hunter Biden.

I think the republicans and their Reich-wing apologists like marc9000 are out to destroy the office of the presidency regardless of what that does to the state of our society.

"Destroy the office of the presidency"? After what Trump went through, Pelosi tearing up the state of the union speech, trivial impeachments, Maxine Waters and others incitements of violence, Trump's national network addresses being chopped off long before they were finished - and I am the one out to "destroy"?

What used to be the loyal opposition is no more. In republicans, loyalty has given way to stark hatred and the driving need to foster national failure on a grand world-wide scale. By causing the nation's failure the republicans hope to point to democrats as the cause.

Why do republicans so hate this nation? Why does marc9000 so hate this nation?

After the third-world style of hatred towards Trump, his family, and his supporters , I'd expect the left to drop this kind of talking point. But that's okay, it gets conservative media and commentary more and more popularity, as they marvel over the intelligence of the left.

Here's a reminder of one of my responses to you last may, that you never addressed.

Message 24

quote:
60 years ago, most Democrats agreed that taxpayer funded abortion was a bad idea. Not any more.

60 years ago, most Democrats agreed that prayer in schools was okay. Not any more.

60 years ago, most Democrats supported the second amendment. Not any more.

40 years ago, most Democrats supported fiscal responsibility. (not borrowing trillions for government pork) Not any more.

40 years ago (or 10 years ago) most Democrats would have laughed at the stupidity of calling free child care, free healthcare, free college, forgiveness of student debt as "infrastructure". Not any more.

30 years ago, most Democrats wouldn't have agreed with taxpayer funded special rights for blacks and gays. Not any more.

30 years ago, (or 10 years ago) most Democrats would have laughed at the thought of "defunding the police". Not any more.

20 years ago, most Democrats supported immigration laws, a secure southern border. Not any more.


So I have evidence that today's left hates U.S. foundings / founders, and traditional history. As I pointed out to you once before here somewhere, James Madison, the most prominent founder, said this;

quote:
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

A quote by James Madison

Let's see, "benevolence" / "human infrastructure"...."benevolence" / "human infrastructure"- the two terms seem very similar to me. Let's look at the definitions;

quote:
Benevolence; a desire to do good to others; goodwill; charitableness:
to be filled with benevolence toward one's fellow creatures.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/benevolence

quote:
The term human infrastructure is used to refer to the aspects of the facilities and systems of a place that affect and involve its people. The human infrastructure of a place (such as a country or city) is often understood to involve things like healthcare, childcare, education, and job training.

https://www.dictionary.com/...h-science/human-infrastructure

"Benevolence toward one's fellow creatures"? - "healthcare, childcare, education, job training"? Yes, very similar.

The above is my evidence that you and all your helpers here hate the U.S. far more than I do. Any counter evidence? Or just rage?


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marc9000
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Message 205 of 291 (888808)
10-07-2021 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Percy
10-06-2021 11:46 AM


Re: Mi AF1 es su AF1
As Marc has explained, the nearly weekly international trips Hunter Biden made with his father while vice-president (we know they happened, someone at Fox said so)

Fox got that information from "Judicial Watch", which obtained the Secret Service records. (linked above) Before you poison the wells, can you come up with a liberal source that proves that claim false? I did a quick check at the left-leaning Snopes, and couldn't find a reference to it. I'd expect them to be all over it if that claim were false.


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marc9000
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Message 211 of 291 (888814)
10-08-2021 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Percy
10-07-2021 4:44 PM


Gang gallop
I was going to provide the correct information but had to run some errands and now you've already done that. I'll just add a couple things.

But life's easier when you have plenty of help, isn't it?

While it's always nice to have misinformation corrected, some people specialize in providing misinformation, so much of it that correcting it can turn into a full time job. There's an infinity of misinformation websites out there for them to draw upon, and there's no way to keep up with it. When somebody's proven over and over that that misinformation is their primary contribution, just ignoring them might be considered.

So your only response to my (and millions of others) concerns about this complete lack of mainstream media coverage of Hunter Biden as opposed to Trump's children, is that he didn't go on hundreds of foreign trips with his father during his vice presidency, that it was only a few dozen, and therefore there was NO WAY anything suspicious could have happened? At least he didn't make public any pictures of his children like the sinister Ivanka Trump, he'd a been in trouble then!

It's why liberals can't do well in successful debate shows, talk shows, their arguments just don't hold up. The way they double down, when confronted with obvious media bias, with the drastic changes in the Democrat party over just a few decades is both amusing and sad. I'll leave y'all alone for awhile now, so you can continue with your un-opposed love fests.


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marc9000
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Message 215 of 291 (888825)
10-08-2021 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by PaulK
10-08-2021 1:33 PM


Re: Gang gallop ?
A couple of questions for you before I depart.

Let us consider this alleged “gallop”

First, my invention was solely to examine your source, introducing no additional claims or arguments beyond that.

And your only reason for doing that was because you thought Percy might not be capable of doing it, or wouldn't think of doing it. Then when he said "I was gonna say that!!" you and him can then have a slap-on-the-back fest. Fun for you I guess, but doesn't appeal to me much personally.

That is hardly comparable to a Gish Gallop which is a barrage of assertions without investigating the evidence. The “gallop” seems to be more on your part.

I don't see how a "barrage of assertions" is a problem for a barrage of posters, a barrage of anger etc. But you're probably right, not comparable. (but the reverse of your opinion of which is more severe)

My intervention did not make it any harder for you to muster actual proof. So unless you mean that you can’t get away with falsely claiming to have evidence this is hardly relevant.

One of my several opponents (let's see....it was Percy) made a big deal of the number of trips Hunter took. From Message 183 -what I said there, to a message he didn't respond to.

quote:
You're making a big deal of the number of times. That's actually a very minor detail. I don't care if it was only 5 times, if ONE of them involved Hunter's using his father's influence to enhance his own multi-million dollar business deals involving international energy usage, and therefore politics, and our news media covers it up, it's a serious problem that could involve U.S. economics at best, or U.S. national security at worst.

What evidence did I falsely claim to have? Do you, like the others, believe that the number of trips and their destination were a big part of my argument? You, like all of them, missed my earlier paragraph that I re-quoted above? You, like the others, believe that I KNEW that not all of those 411 trips were with his father, that I thought if they were within the U.S. or without his father that they were irrelevant? So I lied and covered that up? You made good points, I made a small mistake by saying they were all on Air Force 2, but it would have been a much bigger mistake if trips within the U.S., or trips without his father, automatically are always without suspicion, but they're not. Does the fact that they weren't all trips with his father make you believe, like the rest of gang, that it's now clear that the mainstream media is entirely balanced in how they treat all presidential children? Here's a hint, much / most of the attacks against Trump's children were for when they were not with him, and were due to their activities that were confined within the U.S. border.

And at that time you only had two people responding to you. Not much of a gang.

Two people responding yes, but how many more reading, and gathering up rage for future posts? Hard to keep count of such things when dealing with gang gallop.

Even after it was pointed out that it was highly implausible you carried on with it, instead of dropping it to focus on stronger points.

It was the strongest point my opponents were making!

In Message 190 you tried to support your claim with this absurd argument:

marc9000 writes:

U.S. vice presidents have more access to leisure time and air travel than most U.S. dads have to leisure time and car travel. 8 years is 2920 days. It's common for U.S. children to ride with their dads in cars hundreds of times over a period of 8 years.

Now I don’t doubt that children - as children - get driven on many short trips. However adult children do not,

They don't? My elderly dad rode with me over a hundred times in the last 8 years of his life, mainly because his eyesight was failing too badly for him to be able to drive.

and short trips are hardly comparable to even a domestic flight. Unless you think that Joe Biden regularly too Hunter to church- for instance - on AirForce 2 it really doesn’t make a lick of sense.

It makes sense if they were involved in business deals in China and the Ukraine, with "big guy" Joe's political clout being involved.

In Message 203 - the message I replied to - you introduced the assertion that Judicial Watch supported the claim. In reality the article referred only to 411 trips - without specifying that they were either air trips or saying Joe Biden was present. (Indeed the only number for air trips it gave was 23).

Judicial Watch supported the "hundreds of trips" claim, that's all I was referring to. Unless, like the gang, you believe that domestic trips / trips without his father are of NO INTEREST to the general public, whether they concerned his experiences in lobbying, his law experiences, or maybe just a supply run for some more crack cocaine. Unimportant, if you're the mainstream media, or Hollywood's late-night clowns.

In Message 205 you went on and claimed that the Fox video got the information on the number fo flights from Judicial Watch. When in fact the information on Judicial Watch contradicted it.

"411 trips" - Judicial Watch. "traveled with his father, AND got secret service protection on hundreds of trips" - the Fox News chic. Where's the contradiction? The Fox news chic didn't lie, though she was being tricky. She's a commentator, not a reporter. Do you believe that Trump haters who masquerade as reporters, like Jim Acosta and Johathan Karl (to name only 2 of hundreds) don't get just a little tricky in some of their reporting?

Again it seems a poor use of time to make two posts trying to back up a supposedly minor point - without even determining that the supposed evidence actually supported the point. It seems a rather clear example of the inability to drop even a hopelsssly implausible point.

You're probably right, I guess I tend to do that because most of the points I make go un-responded to, by ANY gang member. See Message 183, and Message 204 as two examples.

And none of this is the fault of the “gang”. Your bad choices are all on you. You didn’t have to make the claim in the first place. You didn’t have to keep on trying and failing to support it. You didn’t have to grossly misrepresent Judicial Watch. And you did all those things before my post went through.

The problem isn’t the “gang”. The problem is you. Maybe you should try to fix it instead of blaming other people for your faults. That’s what it means to take personal responsibility.

All I'd like to do, is get to a point where we can agree to disagree. So before I go, so I'm clear, you agree with the others that since I made a mistake about the destinations of Hunter's trips, that I LIED, and because of that, my entire point is void, and that's proof that the mainstream media is perfectly balanced in how they cover / covered Trumps children versus how they treat Hunter Biden?


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marc9000
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Message 223 of 291 (888839)
10-09-2021 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Tangle
10-09-2021 3:31 AM


Re: Gang gallop ?
What is it that you think you are doing marc?

Pointing out news that those of you on the far left don't get, because you rely only on the mainstream media. I take no pleasure in making everyone so angry that most of their posts don't specifically address anything I say, therefore making them violate forum rule #10.

Though none of the gang will admit it, they learn from some of the things I say, because what I say represents what roughly half of the U.S. population thinks. Now before you and the gang sputter with rage at this post, remember, people don't get angry when lies are told about them, they get angry when the truth is told about them.


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marc9000
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Message 224 of 291 (888840)
10-09-2021 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Percy
10-09-2021 9:03 AM


Re: Gang gallop ?
It Marc were anti-Trump instead of pro then he would use this article to argue that Don Jr. took hundreds of trips with his father where they hashed out nefarious plans, some of which we know explicitly about, such as Trump Sr.'s instructions to Don Jr. about what to say about the meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians.

Of course we know explicitly about them, because the mainstream media is always frantically on top of it. Your quote mentioned the Trump family and the Obama family. This is the BIDEN thread. (forum rule #2)

Your link did mention that during Biden's vice presidency that even he and his 2 living children didn't take as many trips as the wicked Trump family. Biden also has a daughter, that undoubtedly comes as a shock to many fans of the mainstream media, who never get anywhere near what Biden's children have ever been up to. Who knows, Biden's daughter might not even be on crack cocaine like Hunter. We'll probably never know, even Fox news has better things to do than spy on the Biden family with any means similar to the mainstream media's obsession with the Trump family.

Taa taa for now, if this thread shrivels and dies over the next 6 months in spite of everything Bidan and AOC are sure to screw up over that time period, I might check back in if I'm not banned. (being on offense concerning a presidential administration is much easier than being on defense, wouldn't you agree?


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marc9000
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Message 228 of 291 (888847)
10-10-2021 3:39 PM
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10-10-2021 10:46 AM


thanks
Thank you.

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marc9000
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Message 238 of 291 (889024)
10-30-2021 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by ramoss
10-30-2021 2:05 AM


Unfortunately for you , Judicial watch is not a very valid source of information.

No link? Are you afraid to have me check the bias of YOUR source?


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marc9000
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Message 239 of 291 (889025)
10-30-2021 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Percy
10-30-2021 10:28 AM


Wouldn't Marc just answer that that's just the lying liberal media throwing mud at Judicial Watch because it's constantly embarrassing them by revealing their lies? Marc chooses his own "facts" and so is able to reach any conclusion he likes.

Sheesh, I try to leave you folks alone for awhile in your little fantasy world, and my name keeps coming up, it's almost like I live rent free in several heads here. But it opens the door for some temporary fun.

All news is biased, there was probably some stoic, unbiased news reporting done in the early days of television and radio, but it didn't take long for them to realize that there's not near as much money and ratings in that as there is in sensationalism and political bias, in either direction. News bias started out liberal in the late 60's and beyond, because the controversy it created by bucking tradition created the ratings that that era's news media was looking for. By the late 80's on, that created the market for Rush Limbaugh, Fox news etc, and they took things the other way. Instead of trying to correct themselves, the mainstream media doubled down with their bias. I remember in the late 80's CNN's "Headline News", while somewhat biased, was actually an okay source for some basic information. They showed very little hatred for Reagan or Bush 41, they had no reporters anything like Jim Acosta back then.

But all this has created the mess we have today. No way for there to be agreement among the two "sides" as to whose fault it is.

So your assessment of my "answer" is slightly warm, but not really too close. News is all biased, the biggest bias they all show is the omission of most (but not all) news that's not favorable to the political party they're beholden to. The best way to find out what's going on is for a person to get news from multiple sources, and use common sense to determine what seems most believable. I missed ABC World News Tonight this evening, and Thursday evening, so I can't be sure, but I'm reasonably sure that both of those nights, like the other nights when I did watch, that they have not a word to say about the 3000 + caravan of illegals in Mexico marching towards the U.S. southern border right now. Fox News covers it of course, just today one of the reporters there asked one of them, "why come now, why now?" "Because the time is right, because of Joe Biden", as marchers around him proudly wear Biden t-shirts. When it hits the border and it's big news for the conservative news sources, the mainstream will be forced to give it very limited coverage. The way many of them will be bused and flown to different parts of the U.S. will continue to be covered up.

But back to Judicial Watch, this is from your Message 209;

The correct travel information that Marc linked to but misrepresented can be found at...

Your long link showed tons of travel by Hunter Biden. Specifically, what did I (and Judicial Watch) mis-represent?


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marc9000
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Message 272 of 291 (893487)
04-14-2022 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Percy
11-03-2021 8:02 AM


Trolling for Truth
BUMP

This thread is entitled "The Biden Presidency". The last time Biden's name was mentioned in this thread was by me, back in October, Message 239, that message got no meaningful replies. Since then it has veered off-topic. Biden largely campaigned as a moderate, yet has governed from a far more liberal perspective than at least some Democrat house and senate members. Bill Maher outlines it very well.

Percy writes:

One might think that I should have titled this message The Coming Conservative Apocolypse, but the Republican party has diverged significantly from true conservatism. When George Will says the Republicans no longer embody conservative principles you have to pay attention.

George Will has always been more moderate towards conservatism than Bill Maher has been moderate towards liberalism. Do we have to pay attention to Bill Maher?

Biden's approval ratings are currently at 33%, in spite of the mainstream media's stellar dancing for him. Obviously, "goofiness" abounds in about 1/3 of the U.S. population. Is it still at pretty much 100% at EvC? Are you sorry you voted for him, Phat?

Calling me vulgar names qualifies as goofiness.


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marc9000
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Message 279 of 291 (893538)
04-16-2022 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by nwr
04-15-2022 9:51 AM


Re: Trolling for Truth
George Will does policy analysis. Bill Maher does comedy.

What the terminology of their assigned positions are makes little difference in what their influence is. They're both public figures, they both make serious political statements, and they both have large followings, though I'd guess Maher has a far bigger one than Will does these days. Maher included a little comedy in the points he was making in the above video, but the points he was making were just as serious as any points Will has ever made. On George Will;

quote:
This is not to say that he has written or spoken as a down-the-line Republican. Indeed, he has been as critical of Republican as of Democratic presidents—perhaps more so. He took Richard Nixon to task over Watergate, Ronald Reagan over the deficits he accumulated while in office, George H. W. Bush for inept political leadership, and George W. Bush for launching an invasion of Iraq on a nation-building agenda. It would be an understatement to say that he disapproves of Donald Trump, writing that he hoped that Hillary Clinton would defeat him in a fifty-state sweep. (Fortunately, he does not mention the forty-fifth president in the volume under review.) He has nurtured a reputation for being independent and unpredictable in his judgments, and not always consistent through his long career. Whatever his views on particular issues, he has never been a party man, an ideologue, or a card-carrying member of a political movement.

George Will’s “Conservatism” | Manhattan Institute

He managed to get himself labeled a conservative long ago in his career, but swerved into unpredictability just about as long ago. Those on the left often point to everything he says as conservatism, then use it to discredit actual conservatives. He voted for Biden in the last election, for the same reason that many did, an emotional disdain for Trump's personality and bluntness. Of course he would claim that Trump is no conservative as many do, but he can't claim that Biden is more conservative than Trump. If he were actually conservative, he'd have never voted for Biden.

What point is there in such a comparison?

Two points, in Message 241, this statement;

Percy writes:

When George Will says the Republicans no longer embody conservative principles you have to pay attention.

1)I don't think conservatives have to pay much attention to anything Biden voter George Will says about real conservatism, and 2) Bill Maher spoke about "common sense" and the upcoming "ass kicking" the Democrats are very likely to get this fall. Maybe Democrats need to pay attention to that, and consider making some changes before then. Not that I wish them any success, but maybe for the good of the country.


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Message 280 of 291 (893540)
04-16-2022 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Percy
04-15-2022 10:26 AM


Re: The Biden Presidency Thus Far
The measures available to government to fight inflation usually cause recessions, so it would be much better if inflationary pressures abate naturally by resolving the pandemic and war related supply issues quickly.

The pandemic and war related stuff are largely out of any U.S. presidents control, though Biden campaigned that he was going to "shut down the virus", something he had no plan to do of course, just a normal political statement that both parties tend to do. Putin didn't attack Ukraine during Trump's presidency, and there's no reason to think he would have in a second Trump term, so that's on Biden. His feebleness, the way he mis-speaks and staggers around in public, no leaders around the world have respect for him, including Putin. Putin's had setbacks, but he hasn't been surprised by anything Biden's done.

But in the above video, Bill Maher talked about common sense. Biden closed construction of the Keystone XL pipeline as soon as he took office, and restricted oil exploration and drilling in other ways. That was back when everyone was taking for granted stable oil prices, food prices, and inflation. From that time, for the last full year, oil prices have been steadily going up. Biden and the left are trying to blame Putin for high oil prices! Even though his invasion happened only a little over a month ago! And Biden's solution to rising oil prices is to drain the oil reserves that were built up during the Trump administration? This is common sense? Would common sense involve maybe reopening the Keystone pipeline, in unrestricting oil exploration to the same levels as during the Trump administration? Would that be more damaging to the Democrats than just continuing to watch oil and food prices continue to soar, while oil reserves continue to drain?

The party of any president after 2 years tends to take a hit in the mid-terms. This one should be resounding enough so that Republicans get enough of a majority to cut way down on the damage that Biden is doing, over-riding vetos, etc. Until Trump or whatever Republican wants it gets back in in 2024. But it won't much be for the reasons you listed in Message 241, it will be because of high oil prices, completely Biden and the environmentalist's fault, and all the higher food prices and inflation that stem from it. It will be because of the wide open southern border, and all the drugs and crime that are going with it. It will be because of new information about the "Big Guy" references in the Hunter Biden laptop, which turned out to not be "Russian disinformation", as the news media told us. Joe Biden was more corrupt throughout his political career than Richard Nixon ever was. Will the mainstream media and Peppermint Patty (Jen Psaki) be able to keep much of this covered up until November?

I don't think Trump will run again. If he does, he'll be slightly older than Biden was when he took office. Trump would have had enough challenges in his second term, and I can't imagine him wanting to take on all the additional mess that Biden and his handlers have made at this point in his life.

I'd like to see some discussion here about what Democrats would like to do for the good of the country, maybe to lessen the hit they're going to take this November. Claiming that Republicans want to "eat their children" isn't going to cut it.


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Message 286 of 291 (893582)
04-16-2022 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by nwr
04-16-2022 12:35 PM


Re: Trolling for Truth
It is still a fact that people watch Maher for the laughs, not for the policy comments.

That is true, many who watch the late night clowns aren't the slightest bit interested in policy at all, yet while they're watching for laughs, they're somewhat of a captive audience for left wing indoctrination. Now the left is increasingly encouraging largely uninformed people like that to vote, to cancel out the votes of informed, productive Americans.

Before all this 'voter's rights' craze, the system worked pretty well, those uninterested, uninformed citizens weren't necessarily encouraged to vote. Often they were too stupid to be able to get themselves to the polling places on time, on the proper day. The left needs the votes of the stupid.

And nobody watches George Will for the laughs.

Sometimes I do! I'm sure there are many other actual conservatives who do too, it can be hilarious to watch people claim to be conservative yet hate ANYTHING Donald Trump did.


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