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Author Topic:   Belief Versus The Scientific Method
Tanypteryx
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Message 147 of 513 (890399)
01-05-2022 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by drlove
01-05-2022 3:19 PM


Re: belief in the method
Supernatural? I think that means anything beyond what natural knowledge deals with.

And you think incorrectly. Supernatural means imaginary (although imaginary numbers are not supernatural). There is no such thing as natural knowledge.

Maybe like claiming laws break down before the Bib Bang or some such?

Nope, incorrect again.

How would I know all physics ceased to exist any more than I would know that an angel someone saw was real or not?

Not, but we are pretty sure that you don't know anything.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 151 of 513 (890403)
01-05-2022 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by drlove
01-05-2022 3:17 PM


So fauci and all others should check with you before claiming science? Good luck with that

Nope, all the scientists already know what science is. By definition, you cannot be a scientist without knowing that.

The scientific method is still the only systematic way to investigate phenomena in the Universe and determine the most likely explanation. New or additional observations and experiments can refine our understanding and test the probability that our conclusions are accurate.

Not once in all of history has science concluded anything supernatural.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 157 of 513 (890409)
01-05-2022 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by dwise1
01-05-2022 4:43 PM


Re: belief in the method
Though I rather doubt that your troll nature will allow you to.

It would be cool if he was a supernatural troll, though. Sorry, couldn't help myself.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 168 of 513 (890420)
01-05-2022 5:08 PM
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01-05-2022 4:56 PM


Re: belief in the method
So when no one knows or can test or prove something that is supernatural

Nope, it's just unknown.

Only you reserve the right to call the supernatural science?

Nope, you are the only one trying to call the supernatural science. And we are telling you that you are incorrect. So far, everything you have said about science or the supernatural or actually anything else has been incorrect.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 171 of 513 (890423)
01-05-2022 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:04 PM


Re: belief in the method
Words can be supernatural

Convince us.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 177 of 513 (890429)
01-05-2022 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:11 PM


Re: belief in the method
I just pointed out that there are things not known in science.

Science is a way of finding out things, not a box with knowledge inside.

In addition, some men of science claim they have some sort of exclusive on what is called science.

So YOU claim, but I have never heard or read of any scientist doing that.

Actually some governments also. I hear the Canadian PM recently labelled people who do not want the Vaccination as anti science, racists usually, and etc.

Bullshit.

By the way, it seems the same old posters have been here a loooong time, no?.

Yeah well, we won all our debates with you guys.

You call others a cult!?

Naw, most cults are smarter than you guys.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 178 of 513 (890430)
01-05-2022 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:14 PM


Re: belief in the method
And Harry Potter said...

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 181 of 513 (890433)
01-05-2022 5:40 PM
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01-05-2022 5:37 PM


Re: belief in the method
good

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 182 of 513 (890434)
01-05-2022 5:41 PM
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01-05-2022 5:37 PM


Re: belief in the method
Putting a candle in a cowpie still doesn't make it a birthday cake.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 198 of 513 (890451)
01-05-2022 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:11 PM


Re: belief in the method
It is a matter of belief. The evidence says whatever the hired expert wants it to say!

You are incorrect yet again, science is never a matter of belief. And in your case, one is an expert and the other one is a con man and a fraud.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 217 of 513 (890478)
01-06-2022 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by drlove
01-06-2022 1:50 AM


Re: belief in the method
You believe science is not a matter of belief.

You just keep spouting incorrect BS. I have not said anything about my beliefs. Science is based on evidence. Beliefs mess it up every time.

Both doctors in the OP might believe the same, yet they have opposite claims.

You have no idea what they believe. One is a scientist using evidence and the other is a fraud using your ignorance and gullibility.

You can't divorce belief from science as much as you may be desperate to do so.

Well, actually I can, because that's what I was trained to do. There's no desperation involved, it just comes naturally. Scientists who allow beliefs to influence their work will find that no other scientist will accept that work. That is what is happening with the fraud you are trying to promote, no real scientists will accept anything he says.

Remember theory is never fact!

And you clearly don't know a fucking thing about what constitutes a scientific theory (hint: it is not a wild assed guess).

That leaves a lot of room for belief.

Your obsession with belief leads me to conclude that you are nothing but a propogandist and a troll.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 222 of 513 (890488)
01-06-2022 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by drlove
01-06-2022 2:46 PM


Re: belief in the method
Then you rudely suggest that theory is fact? Or..?

Either your reading comprehension is non-existent or you are a blatant liar, because I suggested no such thing, rudely or otherwise.

You and the misinformation you support and the other assholes spreading it have cost tens of thousands of lives. The only silver lining is that it's costing more of your dimwit's lives than rational people's.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 225 of 513 (890495)
01-06-2022 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by drlove
01-06-2022 3:51 PM


Re: belief in the method
Not sure where the crossed wire was. I was thinking of the link I posted. Here is a quote
"Wolf Kirchmeir
Blind River, Ontario, Canada

A theory never becomes a fact. It is an explanation of one or more facts.

Tim Lewis

Narberth, Pembrokeshire, UK

A well-supported evidence-based theory becomes acceptable until disproved. It never evolves to a fact, and that’s a fact.

Nick Canning

Coleraine, County Londonderry, UK

Many scientists, including the late Stephen Hawking, are happy to say that a theory never becomes a fact. It is always an interpretive structure that links facts, which are themselves reproducible experimental observations."
When does a theory become a fact and who decides?
All the replies here suggest strongly that a theory is not fact. Ever. So rather than rude little vacuous outbursts, try addressing issues if you bother to post. Adults are present.

I have no idea why you are obsessed with the idea that "a theory is not a fact," but I have never implied anything about theories and fact.

I did imply that you have no idea what a scientific theory is, and I will make it even plainer, IT IS A FACT THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTES A SCIENTIFIC THEORY!

There are many that admit the glaring similarities to science and other belief systems. example:

"There are lots of other ways in which science is suspiciously similar to a religion. It has a canon of holy texts. It has its own specialized mysterious language that only initiates can understand. It has an initiation ordeal, call it graduate school, upon which you finish and you get a ceremonial name change. It has a system for the indoctrination of youth. It has deified saints and martyrs, you know Galileo, Newton, Einstein. It has schisms and heretics. It has the faithful lay believers, who actually don’t understand the esoteric knowledge of the religion, but they believe in it anyway. It has a divinatory practice for the attainment of truth, called experimentation. It has a body of ritual built on top of it, that is called technology. I mean the whole thing!"

You and they are completely full of shit. You repeating your bullshit just demonstrates that you don't have a clue what science is or how it is conducted.

It's always puzzling what you guys are trying to accomplish by posting this crap. Do you really think you will suddenly convince us that obvious bullshit is true and that we will become your adoring followers?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 227 of 513 (890499)
01-06-2022 6:14 PM


We keep seeing the bizarre need to redefine science as religion by the ignorant, drive-bye, ant-science crowd. It baffles me that they think so little of their religion that they want to make science equal to it.

It's weird because every scientist knows that as soon as you use beliefs as any basis for your science, it's not science anymore.

Of course, that is the true aim of the anti-science dimwits, to try and discredit and ultimately stop all science in the U.S. This is at the top of the wishlist for China and Russia.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 232 of 513 (890504)
01-06-2022 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by drlove
01-06-2022 8:11 PM


Rather than cry like a baby, try to show your belief set to be something other than what millions of people know it to be.

Is English your second language or something? I have no idea what you are saying here. I don't know what a belief set is and I don't have millions of followers, only a million +-.

Don't waste our time.

I have no control over your time, that's why it's called your time.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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