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Author Topic:   Belief Versus The Scientific Method
drlove
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Message 264 of 513 (890554)
01-08-2022 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Tangle
01-07-2022 5:48 PM


Try addressing the topic. Also my posts if you are going to bother responding to them. Save your twenty questions polygraph game for someone else

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drlove
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Message 265 of 513 (890555)
01-08-2022 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Tanypteryx
01-07-2022 6:15 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
I did bring up the field of medical science and a few doctors representing that. See what you can do with that.

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drlove
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Message 266 of 513 (890556)
01-08-2022 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by Tanypteryx
01-07-2022 6:36 PM


Re: belief in the method
Maybe say something that shows you know what you are talking about, or attempts to rather than making silly accusations that have no basis in reality and no support offered.
If one applies beliefs in a systematic way to evidences, then that is a perfect use of the word. Maybe quit the pretense of being some word scholar as well.

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drlove
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Message 267 of 513 (890557)
01-08-2022 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Tanypteryx
01-07-2022 6:58 PM


There you go abusing the language again with the word reputable. You do not get to say what we accept or believe, or what has a reputation. You merely choose one side you want to believe. The article did cite 150 studies. If you want to go through each and show how it is some sort of con job, feel free. Empty claims that they are no good is nothing more than hand waving of course.
In some places the majority of people getting sick are the vaccinated. In your standard, apparently they are endangering lives! There are folks on the other side of the issue who claim that the system that disallowed life saving alternative and early treatments are actual murderers. There is also some who suspect that the vaccines may weaken immunity and be dangerous. It is also known that the vaccinated spread the sickness. So no one needs your ones sided rude and ignorant accusations, thanks.
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drlove
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Message 268 of 513 (890558)
01-08-2022 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Tanypteryx
01-07-2022 7:03 PM


Hard to say, I must have missed that. However the issue here is whether you know the difference! So far I see zero that says you do.

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drlove
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Message 270 of 513 (890560)
01-08-2022 12:37 AM
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01-08-2022 12:35 AM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Unless you claim that the scientific method is not involved in medical science, try addressing the answer you received rather than pretend there was none.
Also, to name a few fields where the scientific method is used and works fine are, nuclear science (there are plenty of nukes) and medicine, metallurgy, robotics and etc
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drlove
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Message 272 of 513 (890562)
01-08-2022 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 12:54 AM


Re: belief in the method
Show me the post where I claimed to be using 'systematics'? Ha There you go abusing language again by uttering the word science. You have not defined it, nor shown any instance it is used, and have ignored the instances I mentioned where spokesmen for medical science systematically disagree based on the same science and data! Then one side accuses the other of being anti science! No one needs to use words in a way that is restricted to your belief system and misconceptions!
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drlove
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Message 282 of 513 (890575)
01-08-2022 1:46 PM
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01-08-2022 10:04 AM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Proof that his reputation is 'trashed'? Other doctors? The Barrington declaration had many thousands of medical professionals. The ones who headed it up were well qualified also. There is also a Dr Zelenko who voices serious concerns. Dr. Peter McCullough as well. That was just a quick search. Then there are the doctors against the mandates. examples:
Alberta doctors challenging provincial health authority’s vaccine mandate - The Lawyer's Daily
An Infectious Disease Doctor Explains Why Some Of His Colleagues Are Quitting In The Face Of Vaccine Mandates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9W1DKLngLs
Calgary pediatricians criticized for letters opposing vaccine mandates | Calgary Herald
Of course I could go on all day with those. Then there are other health professionals such as nurses. Again, the list is staggering. I won't bother with these.
Then there is the issue of the science and the spokesmen for the other side of the opinion. One week masks are needed, the next, no masks, the next...etc.
So it is a matter of belief and opinion.

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drlove
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Message 283 of 513 (890576)
01-08-2022 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 11:06 AM


Strange denial. When unable to offer any support for your position you make up fairy tales. That is the modus operendi of some people. If I were to vote for Putin or Biden, I am not sure what I might choose. One thing I can say, it sure would not be the latter!
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drlove
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Message 284 of 513 (890577)
01-08-2022 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 10:19 AM


When truth will not be published in formerly reputable pubs they are no longer reputable!

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drlove
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Message 289 of 513 (890585)
01-08-2022 2:44 PM
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01-08-2022 2:12 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
OK tks

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drlove
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Message 291 of 513 (890587)
01-08-2022 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by AZPaul3
01-08-2022 2:14 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Have you scientific evidence that all those doctors and scientists, nurses and etc on on side of this issue are greedy? Or was that just slander?
Newsflash: The WHO is not believed at all any more by untold millions of smart people.
So you end up in a demon talk rant. Impressive. Try posting when you get something to say and that you can support.
It is obvious that there are multitudes of people on each side of the medical issue. That means that that so called science is belief based.
I also like feet on the ground eyewirness and experience testimony. Example:
"A former ICU nurse laid waste to the Covid narrative at her local county school board meeting this week, exposing how the medical authorities are responsible for coronavirus deaths by not promoting early treatment protocols.
Speaking at a New Hanover County school board meeting in Wilmington, North Carolina, on Tuesday, registered nurse Morgan Wallace – who says she quit her job over vaccine mandates – slammed vaccines for failing to protect people from contracting Covid, and blamed government incompetence for leading to thousands of deaths.
“Everyone who died with Covid should be considered murdered. Early treatment has always been effective,”
https://www.infowars.com/...mdemic-in-epic-school-board-rant

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drlove
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Message 292 of 513 (890588)
01-08-2022 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 2:14 PM


quote:
What denial was that?
The strange one
quote:
i'm not trying to support a position..
Well you should. If you claim that medical science uses the scientific method and is not therefore belief based, then why are millions of people and tens of thousands of medical professionals not agreeing? Simple.

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drlove
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Message 293 of 513 (890589)
01-08-2022 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 2:17 PM


You thought formerly reputable journals had some nazi propaganda ticket to ride? No. When truth is censored that means the reputable articles can't get published. The paper then becomes anti reputable!
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drlove
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Message 298 of 513 (890596)
01-08-2022 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by AZPaul3
01-08-2022 3:03 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Well, support that claim with facts? If the scientific method was not used in the matters relating to the mrna vaccines, then prove it. If it was, well, obviously the data is totally subject to belief and interpreting.
They tried to suppress the results for 75 years. How are people supposed to deal from any point of knowledge?
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