Belief Versus The Scientific Method

"I always thought the Russian bots were more sophisticated and subtle. If this guy doesn't up his game Putin might put a little poison on his doorknob." post 281That strange one

Your are descending into incoherence. Please make your claims clear and insure that they have factual support.If you claim that the vaccine is effective and science based, then why does it not work?
All cruise ships have to be vaxxed, pass and staff."Every cruise ship sailing with passengers in U.S. waters has reports of COVID-19 infections, prompting some cruise ship operators to cancel sails as far out as April.The number of cruise ships with infections has dramatically increased over recent weeks as the Omicron variant spreads like wildfire throughout the U.S.The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has flagged 92 cruise ships with infections this week."Omicron chaos forces Norwegian Cruise Line to cancel sailings until AprilEdited by drlove, : No reason given.

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OK, it sounded like an accusation. Moving on

It would be helpful if you said who you are talking about.

The climate does change. That is no excuse for your polluted language. Climate change is based on interpreting data using certain beliefs. Others interpret the same data using other beliefs. My own belief on that issue is that man cannot save himself. Period.

Post 302 was supposed to reply to message 301. I addressed the points in that post.You seem to be suggesting that I report it when people use demon talk and lob firebrands, rather than gently responding in kind in a far less offensive way.. In that case the whole discussion would be probably needed, since there are few if any posters that can be civil or support their vacuous and rude little tirades. Once again, I see none of them are addressed by mods here.

Sorry. With Omicron the vaccines might as well be sugar pills."Have an important tip? Let us know.
Email us here.Cameras were rolling during an incredible exchange between British Health Secretary Sajid Javid and a savvy, unvaccinated UK healthcare worker, who educated the unelected bureaucrat on everything from the benefits of natural immunity, to the dangers of a never-ending booster scheme.The one-sided debate took place during a visit Friday by Javid to Kings College Hospital in London, where he asked nurses what they thought about the government’s mandatory vaccination policy for healthcare workers.Steve James, an anesthesiologist working in the hospital’s Covid Intensive Care Unit, spoke up to Javid about why he disagreed with the NHS policy, and explained he hasn’t been vaccinated because his natural immunity is better than that provided by so-called Covid vaccines.Government: “Follow the science”Doctor: "The science isn't strong enough"pic.twitter.com/MEFK7qCrKS
— Calvin (@calvinrobinson) January 7, 2022“I’m not happy about that,” James told the health secretary.“So, I’ve had COVID at some point, I’ve got antibodies, and I’ve been working on COVID ICU since the beginning,” the ICU doctor stated.“I have not had a vaccination, I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks for Delta, with Omicron it’s probably less,” James said, speaking to the jabs’ reported waning efficacy.“And for that, I would be dismissed if I don’t have a vaccine? The science isn’t strong enough,” James said.Javid responded, “I respect that, but there’s also many different views. I understand it, and obviously we have to weigh all that up for both health and social care, and there will always be a debate about it.”James fired back, saying he’d sooner advise unvaccinated people not to get the jab so they can enjoy the benefits of natural immunity, rather than suffer monthly booster jabs."Infowars ArticlePeople who are jabbed still get sick and spread the viruses. That is not 'wonderfully'!

That depends on who is looking at the data and how.That applies to other branches of science as well.Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

So you pick links that support one side of the issue. I can pick thousands of links that support the other side. The problem is that it is supposed to be a matter of medical science. It is only about belief. That principle applies to some other facets of science as well. Belief very much enters into interpreting the data. Can you admit that much?

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And if there are questions among a majority of the experts then the science is not settled

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Now you appeal to the majority rather than fact and the scientific method. Nothing is settled.

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When the science is settled as it is with anthropic global warming

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In what way is it settled? The fact climate is changing, or that it seems man is impacting in some way the changes? That is not what matters. Now when you offer trends in weather that you date over great time, that is belief based. When you predict the future and how it will change that is belief based. If all you are talking about is fairly short term changes in the last few hundred years or something, well, that may be another story. So using a broad and misused term like climate change is really useless. Did Al Gore's prophesies come true? If you want to discuss some specific aspect of the sciences that deal in weather and trends and etc well, probably that is another thread. This thread seems to be about belief as it relates to the scientific method.

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Because we did not contain and mitigate the virus from the start!

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Give a virus fertile populations within which to propagate end evolve and you will get variants that can circumvent all our best efforts.

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So who's to blame? The scientists and public health officials trying to contain and control the disease? Or the fucking stupid idiots who do their best to improve the virus' chances of evolving into ever better variants to defeat our best efforts against them?

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It is a matter of belief as to who is to blame. Some suggest the omicron variant started with vaccinated people and could be partially a result of the vaccination!First known U.S. Omicron case found in fully vaccinated overseas traveler | ReutersFirst Omicron case reported in Ireland, variant found in person back from southern Africa | Rest of the World NewsCoronavirus: Six cases of Omicron variant detected in Scotland – The Irish Timesetc etc. As we know vaccinations are required for travel.Who really knows? Could natural immunity be better? Could people naturally immune fare better than the overly vaxxed people? It is all a matter of belief. Where is the facts and science based on testing and repeating and etc? As mentioned the ones involved in the vaccine agenda (lockdowns,mandates,endless boosters, etc) have tried to hide the test results for a lifetime! Is that science in your mind? They also demanded total immunity from prosecution for the deaths and serious injuries they knew would come! Is that science?I will point out that those who scream against people who chose to not believe blindly and obey do appear to me to be very religious!Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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opinion noted

Who cares what your link was about? It represents opinions of some people on one side of the issue. The virologists, Drs and medical professionals do not agree. That is the point.

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Every real scientist understands bias in the collection and analysis of data. That is why the protocols of real, actual, scientific study are so strict on methodology. And since we know humans are fallible and (as you show with your sources) dumb as a bag of rocks there is the requirement for a scientist to open the kimono and show all, the methods, the raw data, the analysis and the conclusions.

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So anyone you agree with is a 'true' scientist!? I guess all we need from you is the list of true and false scientists.A former adviser to a drug company suddenly becomes a false scientist if he grows a conscience?Update Your Browser | Facebook

So where does that leave the willing people who died because of the vax they took, and the million plus who had bad effects? Some experts suggest that the actual number may be 20 times higher since true stats are not kept or available. Other estimates are that the numbers are at least 5 times higher.

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we need to compare the rates of death between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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The main point seems to be that rates must be compared. That is impossible because there are no stats on how many actual deaths and serious reactions to the vaccine. I say actual because it is commonly reported that the forms are not filled out, since they are time consuming and cumbersome. No one has time for them basically. Any stats we do have therefore are not serious numbers. The stats about how people were declared a covid death are also hopelessly skewed. The deaths are those that supposedly tested positive with the virus, not those who died from it generally.Then there is the issue of what organization or country the stats are from. We have widely different numbers saying the opposite from different countries. In some places it is admitted the majority of hospitalized are vaccinated. In other places they claim it is a small minority. That is not science! That is bias and greed and belief and etc.All that aside, playing with numbers is something anyone can do. That just goes to evidence that the issue does involve opinion, bias and belief rather than science and data.