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mark24
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Message 63 of 138 (195644)
03-31-2005 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by simple
03-31-2005 2:17 AM


Prediction
Simple,

I seem to recall the last femur with exceptional preservation (with haem groups NOT blood cells, as widely reported in the creationist press) had fully racemised amino acids (the L & R forms of amino acids exist in equal quantity). This takes a loooong time to happen & is indicative of extremely long time spans. Mammoth remains aren't even close to this level of racemisation.

That would be an "evolutionary" prediction, a high degree of racemisation, should amino acids be recovered, that is. Since the original paper is preliminary, we'll just have to wait & see. But since the last one was highly racemised...

Mark


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mark24
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Message 66 of 138 (195843)
03-31-2005 6:06 PM
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03-31-2005 3:56 PM


Re: Prediction
simple,

Between the flood year, and the tropical pre flood world, and maybe toss in some violent flood tectonics, and we have some heat that may skew results?

How much heat, exactly, is required to skew the results by 70 million years minus 6ky?

Since there's no evidence of a global flood, & its associated violent flood tectonics, it's a moot point. The heat produced by the alleged accelerated radioactive decay that (is invoked to drive such tectonic movement) would skew radiometric dating by 70 million years would cook everything anyway, there would be no amino acids left to racemise.

Obvious conclusion: It never happened. You present no case to answer.

Mark

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mark24
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Message 74 of 138 (195957)
04-01-2005 4:20 AM
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03-31-2005 8:21 PM


Re: Prediction
Simple,

Well, how much heat in the labs for the tests?

You tell me. You are claiming that full racemisation can take place with heat added, I am asking how much heat need be applied for zero to full racemisation take place in a single year. You are the one claiming it happened, I am asking for evidential support of your claim.

Yes, but how about the heat from only a few thousand years?

No other samples show full racemisation from what you would describe as "only a few thousand years", let alone a single flood year, so why this one?

Mark


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