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Coyote Member (Idle past 2407 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
quote: Doing carbon 14 on rock is a fools errand--you would get no meaningful answers. (And yes, I am familiar with the RATE project.)
quote: If you want to know about things found in medieval or other ancient sites, all you have to do is ask an archaeologist. We work with these time periods all the time. Don't you think it would be worth a Nobel Prize if we could document a dragon! (They don't have such a Nobel Prize for archaeology but they would create one for such a find!) But with tens of thousands of archaeologists all over the world, along with geologists, sedimentologists, prospectors, landscapers, construction workers, gardeners and all the rest -- no such dragons have ever been found. There are tons of mammoths and mastodons, along with other now-extinct critters, but no dragons. I think the reason is that dragons are entirely mythical.
quote: Gee, let me think:
(Google "imaginary animal" and see how many thousands of critters you get.)
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
no offense, but you could have come up with some way cooler imaginary animals
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DogToDolphin Member (Idle past 6177 days) Posts: 40 From: Avignon, France Joined: |
Hmmm,
Dragon - WikipediaWhat about the almost universal depiction of dragon (dinosaur)-like creatures around the globe? You can check Inca, Turkish, Chinese, Indonesian, Russian, European artifacts, and they will show you a dragon-like (dinosaur if you prefer, but that term didn't exist back then) on their potteries, in their stories, Zodiac symbols (why would there be 11 common animals + 1 "mythical" one)? What is so mythical about dragons?Centaurs are definitely mythical since no one has ever found a Centaur skeleton afaik? It's not the case of Dragons/Dinosaurs, right?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't see why extant or not-that-old extinct dinosaurs would be a problem for evolutionists. They aren't. So, you ask, why do I argue against the loons who pretend that (non-avian) dinosaurs are still roaming the earth? There are two reasons. The first is that I am not just opposed to halfwitted lies that oppose the theory of evolution --- I am opposed to all halfwitted lies. If I see someone telling a halfwitted lie, I respond by telling him the truth, whether or not it has anything to do with evolution. The second reason is that evolution and creationism are in opposition, so every time I expose a creationist liar as a liar, I gain a rhetorical advantage. If his lie is irrelevant to the debate, then I have still exposed the creationist as a liar. If, as in this case, his lie has no relation to the debate, then I score twice, because I can then expose him as being, not just a liar, but a stupid liar, since he expended his credibility on telling a lie that doesn't actually help his cause. And this is how I do treat the living-dinosaur people. Not only are they lying, but they are dumb enough to believe that their stupid lies support their cause. The fact that their lies wouldn't support their cause even if those lies were true does not deprive me of the rhetorical advantage of being able to point out that creationists are stupid liars. On the contrary, the fact that their lie is irrelevant proves that their lie is stupid. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2407 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
quote: Dragons are mythical. Dinosaurs are real, and went out of fashion about 65 million years ago. The evidence is clear on this. But if you disagree, get your pick and shovel and do some research! But remember, if you want your evidence to pass scientific scrutiny, you might want to follow the scientific method. And your evidence will have to be clear and convincing. Drawings on old pots won't cut it if you can't produce bones or some other clear evidence. It is like hunting for bigfoot. Bring back a skeleton or a major piece of one, and all of those decades of sightings and photographs will be more acceptable as evidence. Without a skeleton you have just another imaginary creature.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What about the almost universal depiction of dragon (dinosaur)-like creatures around the globe? Er ... given that it doesn't exist, what about it?
It's not the case of Dragons/Dinosaurs, right? You know, writing the words "Dragons/Dinosaurs" doesn't magically turn dragons into dinosaurs any more than writing "Horses/Unicorns" magically turns horses into unicorns. The / character does not have magical properties.
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DogToDolphin Member (Idle past 6177 days) Posts: 40 From: Avignon, France Joined: |
Well, my question was how come ancient cultures depicted dinosaurs-like creatures? If indeed they had not seen any and it was all a myth.
Isn't it something worth looking into, even if you are not interested in it. I don't ask you to be interested in the topic if you don't want to. Edited by DogToDolphin, : syntax
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DogToDolphin Member (Idle past 6177 days) Posts: 40 From: Avignon, France Joined: |
I wrote Dragon/Dinosaurs since the word Dinosaurs didn't exist before the 19th century.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Where was this dinosaur bone found? At the surface or deep down in the soil? According to the report you quoted, it is near the bottom of an exposed cliff face.
So I am thinking that this dinosaur might not be as old as 70millions years, if it's near the surface (even a bone is sticking out the surface). Here's a word for you. E-ro-sion.
They could always run carbon 14 tests, but that's unlikely going to happen if they stick to the millions year old. I guess that you think that you know what you mean when you say this, but for the benefit of those of us who don't live in your fantasy world, could you please expand on this statement?
Also China has a dragon as one of its national symbol. Why does it look so much like dinosaurs if indeed no one had seen them in the past. Here is a picture of a Chinese dragon.
Please tell us which dinosaur you believe that it "looks so much like"?
I think this question will be resolved if we find dragon (dinosaurs) skull/skeletons in medieval sites or ancient sites where people lived. The fact that we have never, ever, found such a skeleton surely also has some bearing on the question. You might as well say that the question of whether pigs have wings "will be resolved if we find winged pigs". Well, yes it would. But the fact that we have never found any winged pigs is surely also relevant, and helps us to resolve this question. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2407 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
quote:Look into it how? Archaeology is our single best tool for exploring the past. Archaeology is practiced in most countries of the world and if there was evidence of "dragons" we would have found it by now. The depictions on pots and other old drawings show the most unlikely of critters--as do movies, TV, supermarket tabloid covers, comic books and the like. Means nothing. Our colleagues the paleontologists find tons of dinosaurs, but no dragons. The problem is, those dinosaurs are all 65 million years old or older. The evidence for a young earth, recent dragons, and a global flood about 4350 years ago is just not there. You are grasping at straws.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4075 Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
Well, my question was how come ancient cultures depicted dinosaurs-like creatures? If indeed they had not seen any and it was all a myth. Isn't something worth looking into, even if you are not interested in it. I don't ask you to be interested in the topic if you don't want to. You know, ancient people can dig up old bones, too. What do you think they'll come up with when they see a T-Rex skull? Maybe make up a fantastical myth to explain it, like everything else they didn't understand about the world? Aside from that, never having seen anything like Unicorns, Gryphons, or any other mythological creatures never stopped ancient cultures from imagining them. Honestly, how hard is it to come up with a giant freaking lizard? If the evidence shows that humans and dinosaurs never coexisted, and there is an incredibly easy explanation for "dragon" wall paintings because mythological creatures are present in nearly every culture, reality is fairly obvious. When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I wrote Dragon/Dinosaurs since the word Dinosaurs didn't exist before the 19th century. What of it? The word "invetebrate" didn't exist until the 18th century, but that would not excuse someone who wrote "Dragon/Invertebrate" as though they were two different terms for the same thing.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1705 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Welcome to the fray, DogToDolphin.
What about the almost universal depiction of dragon (dinosaur)-like creatures around the globe? And the fact that there are substantial differences in the depictions from various cultures on traits, behaviors and abilities.
You can check Inca, Turkish, Chinese, Indonesian, Russian, European artifacts, and they will show you a dragon-like (dinosaur if you prefer, but that term didn't exist back then) on their potteries ... Some of which are fakes, frauds, like Piltdown etc.
It's not the case of Dragons/Dinosaurs, right? You might be interested in The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times. (Hardcover) --
quote: Then you can ask yourself which is more likely - that dragons existed, or that early people came upon the fossil skeletons of dinosaurs and made up myths to explain them.
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DogToDolphin Member (Idle past 6177 days) Posts: 40 From: Avignon, France Joined: |
quote: I agree with you on that one.
quote: Why are you saying I live in a Fantasy world? What about Dracorex hogwartsia?
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.hmnh.org/archives/2006/05/22/dragon-people-dear-readers/ But then again, I am not saying with dogmatism that they did exist, but the doubt remains as to the truth of all those legends.
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DogToDolphin Member (Idle past 6177 days) Posts: 40 From: Avignon, France Joined: |
quote: That's a plausible explanation. Unicorns are horses with a horn, Griffins seem to be a mosaic of a kind of eagle and a lion, but doesn't seem to be a worldwide myth, compared to the dragon or dinosaurs like creatures.
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