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Author Topic:   An Ether-Based Creation Model
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Message 49 of 589 (885523)
04-16-2021 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by dwise1
04-15-2021 6:09 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
dwise1 writes:

As an engineer, I found that I could follow the engineering techno-babble and it made sense or was at least coherent. My dermatologist was a sci-fi fan so I asked her about their medical techno-babble and she attested to its quality.


Once upon a time a biologist and a geologist were discussing a creationist lecture that they had both attended. The biologist said that the biology was garbage but the geology sounded good. The geologist said that the geology was garbage but the biology sounded good.

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Message 54 of 589 (885528)
04-16-2021 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by AZPaul3
04-16-2021 1:23 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
AZPaul3 writes:

How does the Bermuda Triangle lead to your aether supposition?


Man-eating aether. Hungry Hungry Aether.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 109 of 589 (885909)
04-28-2021 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Michael MD
04-28-2021 11:06 AM


Re: Entanglement
Michael MD writes:

I won't try to go into great detail on it


The university that I attended had about 6000 students at the time. One floor of the library was devoted to science. It had aisles and aisles and aisles of large bound volumes of abstracts - i.e. brief summaries of what was in the papers. The papers themselves contained the details.

You can't do science without details.


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Message 124 of 589 (885967)
04-30-2021 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by AZPaul3
04-29-2021 8:37 PM


Re: A summary of the model thus far
AZPaul3 writes:

Though I do have some questions about that part in the middle.


You have to read between the lines.

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Message 163 of 589 (887084)
07-08-2021 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Michael MD
07-08-2021 8:58 AM


Re: Fair Warning
MichaelMD writes:

This is getting to be a lengthy Thread....


Not really. Take a look at the Topics list. We have threads more then ten times as long.

It may seem long to you because you've told us everything you know.


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Message 213 of 589 (887335)
07-31-2021 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by ICANT
07-31-2021 1:57 AM


Re: Get Real.
ICANT writes:

The BBT requires a beginning to exist.


There's a difference between "a" beginning and "the" beginning. Every person has "a" beginning. That doesn't make them creationists.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 233 of 589 (887362)
08-01-2021 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Phat
08-01-2021 6:59 AM


Re: Get Real.
Phat writes:

Can we make a conscious choice to be part of light or part of darkness and, if so, do we know which is which?


Have you ever heard of the concept of metaphor? Do you realize that light/darkness (good/evil) has nothing, nothing and also nothing to do with actual physical light?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 235 of 589 (887365)
08-01-2021 10:43 AM
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08-01-2021 10:37 AM


Re: Get Real.
Phat writes:

Light is a metaphor for a loving Deity....


Lucifer means light.

Phat writes:

... hope becomes a lot stronger when at least one of us knows the way out of the forest.


You're the one who's always preaching against objective reality, expecting your seeing-eye god to lead you. I prefer to look out for the trees.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 238 of 589 (887388)
08-01-2021 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Phat
08-01-2021 10:47 AM


Re: Get Real.
Phat writes:

And Ringo, I expect the same from you.


You have a lot of gall. Go back and answer the hundreds of my posts that you've ignored before you demand that I answer every thought that meanders through your mind.

Phat writes:

You guys cant wax philosophic about what science tells us will happen in 100 billion (give or take) years and then imply that you dont care about an eternal destiny or purpose...


When have I ever done that?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 239 of 589 (887390)
08-01-2021 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by ICANT
08-01-2021 1:13 AM


Re: Get Real.
ICANT writes:

ringo writes:

There's a difference between "a" beginning and "the" beginning.


What is the difference?

The same as the difference between "a" big apple and "The" Big Apple.

ICANT writes:

I think you are dancing around my comment...


No, I'm pointing out that your comment is nonsense based on your misunderstanding of simple English.

ICANT writes:

The Universe required a beginning to exist just like you did.


That's an unsupported assertion.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 246 of 589 (887435)
08-03-2021 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by ICANT
08-03-2021 12:00 AM


Re: Get Real.
ICANT writes:

If the universe did not have a beginning to exist, has it existed eternally in the past?


As you have been told, we don't know. You shouldn't pretend that you do.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 262 of 589 (887468)
08-04-2021 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by ICANT
08-03-2021 11:29 PM


Re: Get Real.
ICANT writes:

The bounce hypothesis comes to mind as well as the string hypothesis.

But there is no way around the universe having a beginning to exist in and from non existence or being eternal.


You contradict yourself. You name two hypotheses and then claim there are none.

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Message 263 of 589 (887469)
08-04-2021 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by ICANT
08-04-2021 12:13 AM


Re: Get Real.
ICANT writes:

Why would I want to make such a stupid argument.


Why would a duck want to quack?

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Message 276 of 589 (887510)
08-07-2021 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Michael MD
08-07-2021 11:12 AM


Re: Get Real.
Michael MD writes:

This Thread has presented my Ether Model.


Jules Verne's vehicle to get to the moon was an enormous cannon, for which he presented a "model" in words, including facts and figures based on what people know about firearms.

H.G. Wells' vehicle to get to the moon was a sphere, which he described in some detail, but the means of getting to the moon was a fictitious woo-woo metal that was impervious to gravity.

Verne's vehicle, though impractical, could hypothetically be built.


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Message 290 of 589 (888032)
08-30-2021 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by Phat
08-30-2021 8:40 AM


Re: Get Real.
Phat writes:

Do you honestly feel as if your understanding was/is an epiphany and that it will come to light?


Science doesn't work by epiphanies. Even epiphanies - I'm thinking of Kekulé and the structure of benzene - need to be confirmed experimentally.

Phat writes:

I feel as if the faith-based community can understand my hypothesis and where I am going. The evidence-based community never will.


That's a false dichotomy. Many people of faith are also people of faith.

And few people of faith are likely to swallow your nonsense. Your problem is that you keep trying to turn nonsense into sense. As long as you keep digging, you're just exposing more and more flaws in your thinking.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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