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Message 19 of 589 (885454)
04-13-2021 11:06 AM
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04-13-2021 9:25 AM


Re: What is so pitiful is ...
... that so many people in the US ...

It is not restricted to people in the US.

Homo sapiens is a flawed species.


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Message 38 of 589 (885502)
04-14-2021 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Michael MD
04-14-2021 10:44 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
In order for physics to directly study the ether, it would need to have a way to generate a predominantly selectively-etheric field.

Then get to work inventing such a generator.

Those of us who doubt that there is such a thing as "the ether" aren't likely to invent it for you.

Edited by nwr, : fix typo


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Message 52 of 589 (885526)
04-16-2021 1:08 PM
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04-16-2021 9:37 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You would instead generate the field from the planet itself, using natural materials as resonators, and a certain way of arranging the components of the in-the-field set-up.

My early answer still applies. You need to get busy on this.

People who doubt the existence of the ether aren't likely to do it for you.

The protocol I have in mind would be a major one, and pretty expensive

Then you need to publish something about it. That way, either people will laugh at you or people might be persuaded to join in.

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Message 72 of 589 (885565)
04-18-2021 11:58 AM
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04-18-2021 7:57 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
It's easy to say "get your material published," another thing to do it.

It may be difficult to publish in scientific research journals. But it is not so difficult to just publish (as on your own web site, for example).

From what I see here, you have a "theory" that is not even wrong. It is all vague talk that we cannot pin down. There's nothing to test, nothing to even criticize. There's just a few buzz words.


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Message 73 of 589 (885566)
04-18-2021 12:01 PM
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04-18-2021 10:45 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Talk to Michael MD like a human.

That's exactly what jar did. I'm not sure why you cannot see that.

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Message 103 of 589 (885873)
04-28-2021 10:42 AM
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04-28-2021 10:12 AM


Re: Entanglement
I still claim physics is in error in dismissing the Ether, and in accepting the MMX as evidence.

I saw Michelson-Morley as posing a problem for ether theories. But I never saw it as a knockout blow.

The real problem for ether theories, was Maxwell's equations. They showed that the apparent wave properties of light can be explained without any appeal to an ether.


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Message 107 of 589 (885884)
04-28-2021 12:09 PM
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04-28-2021 11:06 AM


Re: Entanglement
my ether model would have it that quantum waveforms are primarily generated by etheric processes

What's an "etheric process"?

According to my ether model, what we observe at the quantum level as the peak of a wave represents a cascade of near-quantum ("etheroidal") units, passing into the quantum realm, after being activated, vibrationally, by some outside energy source.

Hmm. "Passing into the quantum realm" -- is that like "Alice through the looking glass"?

As far as I can tell, you are just using meaningless words ("etheric" and "etheroidal" for example). Perhaps they are not meaningless to you, but you have not said anything that would make them meaningful to us.


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Message 122 of 589 (885955)
04-29-2021 5:57 PM


A summary of the model thus far
To help us follow this discussion, I thought I would post a summary of the model, as presented.

--- start of summary ---
--- end of summary ---

And no, there isn't anything missing between the "start" line and the "end" line.


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Message 128 of 589 (886349)
05-16-2021 12:50 PM
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05-16-2021 3:25 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
As to Michelson-Morley et al experiments (MMX), I claim they falsely assumed that any ether would interact with their measurements of beams of light.

This does not make sense.

The reasons that scientists considered the ether, was to explain the apparent wave properties of light. So the whole purpose of ether theory had to do with its relation to light.

So now you deny that there is any relation to light.

In effect, you are agreeing with the Michelson-Morley conclusion, that ether (as they understood it) does not exist.

The most charitable view I can take, is that you are interested only in the word "ether", and that you are giving it an entirely different meaning. But you seem to want to keep that meaning secret. You won't tell us anything about your ether, though you have been asked.

If you want to keep it secret, why did you open a discussion thread here? It makes no sense at all.


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Message 155 of 589 (887060)
07-06-2021 10:03 AM
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07-06-2021 7:18 AM


Re: Fair Warning
I submit that my ether model proposes a much more rational first-causal setting than does the Big Bang theory.

As best I can tell, you don't have a model. You have not presented any actual model in this thread.

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Message 158 of 589 (887071)
07-07-2021 9:22 AM
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07-07-2021 7:56 AM


Re: Fair Warning
We have no detectable evidence of the ether ...

The simplest explanation, is that the ether does not exist.

If you want to persuade people that it does actually exist, then you have to come up with ways of finding actual detectable evidence.

As to the question "Is it science?" -- no, it isn't. Science starts with evidence.


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Message 176 of 589 (887286)
07-29-2021 1:30 PM
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07-29-2021 7:36 AM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
In my ether model, we have not been able to perceive, or to detect the ether technically, due to limitations inherent in our world, where forces are mediated by much-larger energy units, i.e., quantal units. In my ether model, the predominant units comprising the ether are vastly smaller. (Being first-causal in origin, they are "elemental," and had their origin in a world-setting very different from ours.)

Or, in other words, you've got nothing.

That you have nothing has been pretty obvious throughout this thread. But thanks for openly admitting it.


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Message 191 of 589 (887311)
07-30-2021 1:31 PM
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07-30-2021 12:36 PM


Re: Get Real.
This Forum is called Creationist. -Why aren't members freely open to new creationist ideas?

I am open to new creationist ideas. But they would need actual supporting evidence.

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Message 210 of 589 (887332)
07-31-2021 11:25 AM
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07-31-2021 10:57 AM


Re: Fair Warning
Why do you get so mad at him? He is just trying to have a conversation!

He is lecturing. That's not even trying to have a conversation.

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Message 265 of 589 (887477)
08-05-2021 10:22 AM
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08-05-2021 8:03 AM


Re: Get Real.
It still needs evidence. You need to be able to map your model into actual reliable data.

Until you can do that, you've got nothing.


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