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Author Topic:   An Ether-Based Creation Model
Theodoric
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Message 409 of 566 (890832)
01-10-2022 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Michael MD
01-10-2022 6:51 PM


Re: Bump for Michael MD
Your ether module sounds a lot like my leprechaun model. Because its first-causal leprechauns are too super-rarified, compared to our world's (created subsequent to the appearance of leprechauns) ability to detect it by observation, or by using conventional technologies.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 413 of 566 (890935)
01-12-2022 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 412 by Michael MD
01-12-2022 7:43 AM


Development of quantum theory was seriously related to, and ensued upon, the rejection by physicists of a background ether, after the Michelson-Morley Experiment's "null" result in 1887.

Please provide an argument and evidence to support this assertion. If you want people to have a rational discussion on this irrational hypothesis then you need to fill in the background. It is impossible to respond if we do not know what your supposed understandings of your claims are.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 415 of 566 (890984)
01-13-2022 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 414 by Michael MD
01-13-2022 8:28 AM


In other words
You got nothing.

I don't think you understand how this works>
If you make an assertion, you need to back it with evidence and sources. It is not up to me to do the research. If you make the claim point me to the source that I should read to understand the support for your assertion.

This is no different than if I said the rise of sex abuse cases in the Catholic church is tied to the rejection of the Latin mass by Vatican II. If I made such a claim it would incumbent upon me to provide a convincing argument and data and sources to back it up. You alas have provided neither.
I could not get by telling people they need to study the history of the subject and make their own conclusions. That is a cop-out and indicative of no argument and support for an argument for the assertion.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 418 of 566 (890996)
01-13-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 416 by Michael MD
01-13-2022 9:22 AM


You seem to be more confused than I thought.
I had a simple question about one assertion. I have neither the time nor the desire to wade through all of your bullshit.

Are you willing to start simple and address the one request? Then we will go from there.
Message 413

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MDguy writes:

Development of quantum theory was seriously related to, and ensued upon, the rejection by physicists of a background ether, after the Michelson-Morley Experiment's "null" result in 1887.


Please provide an argument and evidence to support this assertion. If you want people to have a rational discussion on this irrational hypothesis then you need to fill in the background. It is impossible to respond if we do not know what your supposed understandings of your claims are.

It truly is a simple request if there is some basis for the assertion


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 421 of 566 (891059)
01-14-2022 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Michael MD
01-14-2022 12:24 PM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
Then, in 1887, Michelson and Morley obtained a negative, or "null" result for the existence of an ether.. Then, gradually over several decades, a combination of Einsteinian relativity and "ether-less" quantum-order systems became the consensus model of physics.

But you have shown nothing to show that they are related. You merely asserted.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 422 of 566 (891060)
01-14-2022 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Michael MD
01-14-2022 12:24 PM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
Your ignorance of the scientific method pretty much makes any point you try to make moot. Actual scientists don't try to prove, they try to disprove. They look for ways that their hypothesis fails.

Are you really an MD or does that stand for something else? I know a lot of docs. I sleep with one every night. Some of them are narcissistic assholes, but I know of none that would have the audacity to try to attack quantum physics. They know their lane. I am always amazed with laymen that have the hubris to think what they thought of while taking a shit undermines contemporary accepted scientific models, theories and explanation. You think you have developed an explanation that overturns over 100 years of science. WOW!!


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 429 of 566 (891089)
01-16-2022 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 424 by Michael MD
01-16-2022 9:32 AM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
So all you have is a wild ass idea, numerology(or something like it), the supernatural, and woo. Not science,

The vast majority of M.D.'s have a B.A. in a science subject. I do know one with a B.A. in Music and another with a B.A. in History. My wife's is in Biology. It does not make her an expert in Biology.
Membership in the ACS is nothing special, just about anyone can join. You don't even need to have a degree In Chemistry. Not sure why you thought this was some sort of special honor that you should mention.
I have a B.A. in History and have been a member of a couple national historical societies. None of this makes me an expert and I certainly would not present those memberships as some sort of honor.
Maybe you can get away with spouting this bullshit around your family and friends and other websites. Not here. We demand actual evidence. Through the years we have seen many, many purveyors of woo here. Compared to many of them you are a sophomoric piker. You have next to nothing and what you do have is not science.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 432 of 566 (891107)
01-17-2022 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 430 by Percy
01-16-2022 7:00 PM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
I find it kind of curious that he highlighted his membership in ACS rather than any specialty training or certification he has.
This is a huge red flag that makes me highly doubt his claims of being an MD. The first thing an MD usually will tell you when you ask about their credentials is their specialty.
GP's without a specialty basically do not exist anymore in the USA. No one will higher you and insurers will not credential you if you do not have a specialty. Those family practice doc's at the local clinic? They are specialists. Their specialty is either Family Practice Medicine or Internal Medicine. They went through a 3-year residency to learn the skills they need to practice medicine.
I have to call bullshit on Michael.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 434 of 566 (891135)
01-19-2022 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 433 by Michael MD
01-19-2022 7:20 AM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
This goes back to my question of why you think your MD and a BS in Chemistry somehow give you expertise.
All great that you are an MD and all that, but that is not relevant to most things on this forum, or life for that matter.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 447 of 566 (891554)
02-03-2022 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 446 by Michael MD
02-03-2022 7:54 AM


Re: Actual origin of QM
This is the perfect time for you to link to or explain the so called subreferences. But it will be fun to see an actual physicist destroy your bs.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 456 of 566 (891606)
02-05-2022 10:00 AM
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02-05-2022 9:06 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
I'll bite. What is this "source"? How did you acquire it?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 460 of 566 (891611)
02-05-2022 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 459 by dwise1
02-05-2022 11:04 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
It seems some sort of aliens are involved. Not sure if he means extraterrestrials, leprechauns or Guatamalans.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 466 of 566 (892432)
03-07-2022 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 465 by Michael MD
03-07-2022 9:49 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
You have words. Some are even scientific-sounding words. You even have a couple four syllable words. But ultimately it is just word salad.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 473 of 566 (892528)
03-09-2022 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 472 by Michael MD
03-09-2022 9:56 AM


Maths please
So where is your math?

Basically what you are saying is goddidit.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 483 of 566 (892708)
03-12-2022 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by Tanypteryx
03-12-2022 2:22 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
I know a guy that is a ghost hunter. He has all sorts of scientific equipment that he has no idea how to use or what the readings are actually showing him. I am sure I could borrow a few things.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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