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Message 26 of 566 (885461)
04-13-2021 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Michael MD
04-13-2021 1:13 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Physics still holds to MMX as the chief evidence against the existence oi an ether.

I may have missed it somewhere but what is your definition of ether?

However, in my Ether Model, the ether had to have arisen first causally,would quite probably be ultimately-rarified, and vanishingly smaller than the photons which transmit visible light beams.

"the ether had to have arisen first causally" What does this mean? And how did you determine it?

"would quite probably be ultimately-rarified" Relative to what? And how did you determine that?

"and vanishingly smaller than the photons which transmit visible light beams" "vanishingly smaller"? Is that your best precision? So are you saying ether is opaque to electromagnetic radiation?

What evidence did you use to determine these characteristics of ether?

Such an ether would not have any inertial interface with the light beams.

What is your definition of inertial interface? Are you saying that ether makes light beams disappear?

The ether and the light beams could not interact, With this type of ether, physics would be wrong in dismissing ether on the basis of MMX.

Ok, how about dismissing ether until evidence is presented?

If, as I claim, quantum units were formed by vibrations of elemental ether units aligning and entraining into larger and larger units

What are quantum units and elemental ether units?

and thus becoming "building blocks" of quantum units and atoms, then quantum units could still display evidence of that, thus verifying ,my Ether Model

OK, I'm assuming you have done the calculations so you know what evidence to look for?

I would claim that such evidence exists, if one looks closely at quantum entanglement (QE.)

OK, now we're making progress, but what precisely is looking closely at quantum entanglement going to show us? Have you performed the experiment?

I believe QE represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern.

What observations did you base this on. What are the units of measure of packets of etheric energy, electron volts or something else?

Elemental ether units are the only participants in QE, with the quantum units as a whole being kinetically "walled off" like the cool "arms" of a quiet, purring, ether mechanism.

What a picturesque description, "like the cool "arms" of a quiet, purring, ether mechanism" and you use of technical terminology is impressive.

The dynamics of how quantum units interact involves waves, vectors, and so on, of course, but i claim that quantum units simultaneously retain a subtle ability to interact with the underlying ether, through vibrations.

What observations lead you to this conclusion?

Take a fresh look at QE from this perspective. -The ether is the prime actor in all quantum dynamics. Physics is making a basic error in dismissing the ether.

I am assuming you have already looked, but for some reason don't want to tell us what you observed or predict what we will observe.

It appears to me that you are sometimes equating subatomic particles as ether and sometimes space/time or the universal gravitational field as ether. You assert characteristics to ether, but in terms that are undefined and unquantified.

Physics will continue to ignore ether until you present specific evidence of its existence. Physicists would love it if you have evidence and would jump at the chance to study it.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 28 of 566 (885463)
04-13-2021 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Phat
04-13-2021 3:50 PM


Re: What is so pitiful is ...
What the fuck does any of this have to do with ether?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 33 of 566 (885487)
04-14-2021 3:04 PM
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04-14-2021 10:15 AM


Re: What is so pitiful is ...
Call it "drinking the koolaid". The product presented. The direction the theory is taking us. Thats why I promoted this. I knew it would stir up some focused responses.

And then you focused your responses to drag it off topic and make it all about your god fantasies.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 34 of 566 (885488)
04-14-2021 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Tangle
04-14-2021 11:21 AM


Re: What is so pitiful is ...
I can pretty much guarantee that 'focussed' response was along the lines of 'ffs, another crack-pot fantasist with another personal and half-baked theory of everything that no-one else will listen to so he came here to make a mess'.

I find it fascinating how much alike this group of crack-pots (CPs) sound. Every single one of them completely misunderstands the scientists actually working in these fields, and this is obvious from the CPs misuse of field specific jargon. These scientists are always looking for anomalies in the data because a new discovery can make a whole career, but most are wary of sidelining their career in pursuit of a model for which no evidence exists anywhere we have looked, so far.

If the CPs ever present any evidence we'll science the shit out of it!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 39 of 566 (885503)
04-14-2021 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Michael MD
04-14-2021 10:44 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
OK, I see. You are not going to answer a single question, just blow a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

You need to up your game if you expect anyone to take you seriously. You don't have anything even close to an hypothesis.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 50 of 566 (885524)
04-16-2021 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:37 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
What I meant in my post about "generating a selectively etheric field" did not refer to fashioning some sort of a "generator."

So the ether is not a component of the Universe, but rather a "field" that you create? And what is the difference between a selectively etheric field and just a plain etheric field?

You would instead generate the field from the planet itself

With what, a deathstar?

using natural materials as resonators

What happens if you use un-natural material?

and a certain way of arranging the components of the in-the-field set-up.

Can you describe your observations that led you to to your certain way of arranging the components of the in-the-field setup?

The protocol I have in mind would be a major one, and pretty expensive

So, are you going to share this "major" protocol with us, or is it a secret?

If you are shooting for a Nobel you will probably need to provide more details and publish in a peer reviewed scientific journal.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 51 of 566 (885525)
04-16-2021 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:57 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
when people began debating about the Bermuda Triangle and a few other similar areas.

Similar areas? Similar in what way?

That eventually led me to focus mainly on the scientific questions that arose.

What scientific questions? You mean like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?

Ultimately, it led to the ether model I developed.

Wow, what a story! Made up urban myths led you to the ether model that so far you haven't described.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 58 of 566 (885532)
04-16-2021 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Phat
04-16-2021 4:59 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Phat writes:

Answer me this, Tanypteryx: If Stan Lee or Isaac Asimov were spinning a sci fi tale of intrigue with pseudo science which they had created simply for entertainment value (and to pass the time speculating with other Sci Fi lovers, would you corner either of them and ask them

...like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?

Of course not. This may be a surprise to you, but the "Fi" in SciFi stands for Fiction.

You may have noticed that I asked the retired MD a bunch of other specific questions prompted specifically by what he wrote. So far, his responses to everyone might as well have been in Klingon. How is anyone going to find out what he has come up with and how he came up with it if we don't ask?

And Phat, the Bermuda Triangle is fiction.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 74 of 566 (885567)
04-18-2021 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Michael MD
04-18-2021 8:15 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Trying this interdisciplinary, wide-ranging, kind of model in a forum like EvC seemed the likeliest way to go, with the kind of model I have.

I'm sorry but I could not go into specific details more than this over the Internet.

It seems like you are leaving out all the details, so I am puzzled how this could achieve any more personal satisfaction for you than being turned away by scientific journals?

Did you include the details, equations, graphs, figures, and definitions in the material you submitted?

Did you describe the observations you made that led you to conclude that there is a ether field?

When astrophysicists measured the rotation speed of the stars in galaxies they observed that the all the detectable mass in the galaxy was not nearly enough to account for the motion. They realized that the obvious conclusion was there is a lot more mass that we could not see that they called "Dark Matter" until they can figure out what it is.

What you have told us so far is that you heard about the Bermuda Triangle and Declaration of independence. and concluded, "Wow, that must mean that ether exists."

By "selectively etheric field" I meant producing a "forced," or sort of artificial, field, by intensifying the proportion of etheric components, using specific resonators, in an area where ambient rarified units exist naturally as a normal combination, or mixture, of quantum and etheric components. Such a naturally-occurring mixture of units, in my Model, would range from elemental ether units at the smallest scale, through somewhat larger "etheroidal" units, on up to quantum scale units. -You would not aim to produce an exclusively-etheric field, but rather to produce one that has a significantly higher degree of etheric components than would otherwise occur.

Well, I can conclude from this that your ether field has absolutely no effect on how physics and chemistry is carried out and does not need to be taken into account. Tens of thousands (probably million) of scientists have been studying every aspect of the Universe and nature for the past 100 years and none of them have reported any hints of your ether or the somewhat larger "etheroidal" units.

So far, all you have told us is you have an idea and you can not really explain it any clearer than that.

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 75 of 566 (885568)
04-18-2021 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Phat
04-18-2021 11:50 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Which may be a clue that this is something that is too complicated to publish. Or confusing.

Too complicated to publish? Really? Apparently you are completely unfamiliar with science.

There is nothing there to publish, no questions, no observations, no data, no clear concise explanation of anything, no definitions of terminology, no systematic methodology. This isn't complicated it's just confused. If he doesn't do the science there will never be anything to publish or even announce.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 82 of 566 (885594)
04-19-2021 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Capt Stormfield
04-19-2021 5:26 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You have to admit, though, that for a low input troll this wasn't bad in terms of its response/gibberish ratio.

And he doesn't have a huge chip on his shoulder because scientists are biased against the truth, his truth, but his idea is pretty bizarre.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 85 of 566 (885613)
04-20-2021 2:43 PM
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04-20-2021 2:06 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Amazingly uninformative.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 90 of 566 (885656)
04-21-2021 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by AZPaul3
04-21-2021 5:41 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You should show your math. Without that you have no model and no aether.

He has some good vibes though, again according to him.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 108 of 566 (885886)
04-28-2021 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Michael MD
04-28-2021 11:06 AM


Re: Entanglement
I won't try to go into great detail on it

That's the problem, you have not gone into any detail, at all. I have noticed that the scientists who make great discoveries have never once convinced other scientists without the details.

It sure seems like you are bullshitting us:
ether model
quantum waveforms
etheric processes
quantum level
peak of a wave represents a cascade of near-quantum ("etheroidal") units
the quantum realm
activated, vibrationally, by some outside energy source
nadir of the wave represents local exhaustion of these energy units
etheroidal state into a quantum state
ether in the vicinity of the wave reverts to a quieter vibrational state

Stringing a bunch of sciencey sounding words together just makes it look like you are just stringing together a bunch of sciencey sounding words. There is no indication from context that you have a clue what they mean. Have you done any calculations?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 118 of 566 (885949)
04-29-2021 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Michael MD
04-29-2021 1:20 PM


Re: Entanglement
According to my model, the ether initiates the forces that, when they quantize, manifest to our quantum/atomically structured eyes as waveforms. Your argument that Maxwell had some kind of unique approach to wave theory overlooks the fact that Maxwell, just by referring to "waves," is referring to a quantum effect. I fail to see how that would make his approach to "waves" especially dismissive of an underlying ether's role in initiating waves.

That's pretty funny, you explaining Bullshit to an actual physicist, Son Goku.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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