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AZPaul3
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Message 355 of 584 (889460)
11-28-2021 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by jar
11-28-2021 8:37 AM


Re: Learn the basics.
So the US Department of Transportation is responsible for this new sub-quantum etheric aether?

I gotta call you on this one jar. I don't think that's right.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 357 of 584 (889463)
11-28-2021 1:32 PM
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11-28-2021 12:05 PM


Re: Learn the basics.
Ok. I haven't an answer for that. You obviously have your stuff together. I leave the field to the victor.

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Message 381 of 584 (890046)
12-22-2021 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by nwr
12-22-2021 10:19 AM


Max Tegmark will be upset with you.

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Message 384 of 584 (890099)
12-24-2021 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by Michael MD
12-22-2021 9:31 AM


^^^ What he said.


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Message 395 of 584 (890327)
01-01-2022 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by dwise1
01-01-2022 12:23 PM


You don't realize you are sidelining an ongoing hilarity that seems to have gone egregiously misunderstood leading to an abundance of pleasant intellectual distractions.

The ether must be tamed, and an ether net is the tool that may help do that. Get with the program SSgt.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 420 of 584 (891055)
01-14-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 419 by Michael MD
01-14-2022 12:24 PM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
That quantum history you gave is about 6 very thick textbooks short of how it all came together, but I grant your point even if you refuse to get it. You do not have any evidence of your aether either physical or theoretical.

Have you ever opened a real quantum physics textbook like Modern Quantum Mechanics (2nd ed.). Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-1-108-42241-3? You see all the math?

If you understood the math you would know why QM is so powerful. You have nothing to compare.

That is the level of detailed math YOU need to formulate, YOU need to present, before anyone is going to consider your aether.


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Message 425 of 584 (891085)
01-16-2022 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by Michael MD
01-16-2022 9:11 AM


Re: You seem to be more confused than I thought.
... the weight of other types of evidence, plus logic, could still make a credible model to counter the current models of physics.

So says your wishful thinking. Part of your fantasy.

The only kind of evidence, logic, credible model in physics is the math. Without the math, Michael MD, you have nothing to offer. Your aether is being ignored.


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Message 449 of 584 (891572)
02-03-2022 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 448 by Son Goku
02-03-2022 12:01 PM


Re: Actual origin of QM
Oh, Son Goku, I don't think he's referring to anything in this universe. He apparently comes from a different reality.

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Message 452 of 584 (891590)
02-04-2022 11:23 AM
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02-04-2022 10:11 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
Yawn.

I'm sorry. What were you saying?


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Message 462 of 584 (891628)
02-05-2022 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by Michael MD
02-05-2022 9:06 AM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
That code was not from a civilization past present or future, was it. It was natural, wasn’t it. From the etheric energy? The vibrations of the elemental ether units found a way to communicate with you? Is there more in this message than you are revealing? What else does it say? What are you hiding?

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Message 463 of 584 (891629)
02-05-2022 11:04 PM


Powerful Stuff
From Message 451

If an ether exists, it would have to be universal. If universal, it would have had to arise first-causally. -A rational substrate at the very beginning could only have been original space. -Original space would have differed from space as it is now in that it would have been "purer," free from everything else, such as forces. It could, then, have "shimmered," with extremely tiny "elemental" point-like localities in a state of perfect, or ideal, reciprocal oscillation. Then, my Model proposes, neighboring "points" underwent oscillatory fatigue, and moved toward each other, as in the well-known depiction of "Yin and Yang," which shows a pair of tear-drop shaped units joining together. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals, for example.)

And he goes on like this for 4 more paragraphs. Amazing.

Can anyone find out what this guy is on? I might like to try me some of that.


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Message 543 of 584 (893958)
04-25-2022 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 541 by Tanypteryx
04-25-2022 12:40 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tinyweenium. Ignoranfimal. Mentalphallium. Insanitite.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 581 of 584 (895412)
06-26-2022 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 578 by Michael MD
06-26-2022 10:23 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
It would not be fair to argue with my Model based on the present assumption of the consensus that the standard Model is established factual reality, which I suspect underlays the criticism. In fairness to this Ether Model, that kind of assumption should not be used to dispute it.
That is precisely why your model must be rejected. You have no evidence. The standard model has literally 100s of millions of data points to its efficacy from almost a hundred years of bubble chambers to the LHC. There is evidence for the standard model. We know it is incomplete but we have hard physical evidence the standard model is a legitimate physical phenomenon. You provide no such evidence of your Ether.
Math is the language of science. If you don't speak it you have no voice in any debate. You have provided no model (real model as in mathematical structure) for science to even consider.​
Science is the study of nature. Nature does not deal in fair. Such a concept does not exist in nature or science. The only things we care about are the legitimacy of the physical observations and the structure of the math used to describe the phenomenon. You have provided neither.
If you want consideration of your Ether, you ARE REQUIRED to provide a consistent rigorous mathematical framework showing the operations of your model and you ARE REQUIRED to provide physical evidence of its efficacy.
1. Physical evidence
2. Consistent rigorous mathematical framework
Until you punch BOTH tickets to the pleasure of the science community then you have nothing to present to us. Your model exists only in your mind and will not be considered until you provide both of the above.
And, frankly, a complaint of not fair is a childish lamentation unworthy of any legitimate scientist.
My Model is based on proposing the undetected existence of a universal ether which underpins the quantum dynamics we observe.
Your "model" is based on your wishful thinking and undetected entities your mind has conjured. That is religion.
Unexceptable.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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