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Message 316 of 364 (888952)
10-25-2021 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by AZPaul3
10-25-2021 12:02 PM


Re: Real Dismissal
AZPaul3 writes:

Phat writes:

Tommy is so dull he dyes all his Easter Eggs white!


That's not easy to do with brown eggs.

In Canada, we sent them to residential schools to try to turn them white. Didn't work.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Michael MD
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Message 317 of 364 (889330)
11-18-2021 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 312 by Percy
10-24-2021 4:02 PM


Re: Get Real.
In my ether model, elemental ether units vibrate and contact each other without moving inertially. The ether is everywhere, although not continuously contiguous, it constitutes a universal underlying matrix, which underlies quantum units. Compared to ether dynamics, quantum dynamics operate differently, via waves, fields, spin, and so on, along spatial vectors. However, a quantum transmission through space is continuously interacting with the primary forces of the underlying ether matrix, because quantum units are constantly "feeling" the ether, inasmuch as all quantum units were originally formed from "building block" ether units, and thus still retain the ability to interact with the ether through vibration.

My kind of model is the only one that makes overall sense, especially if one considers the question of how atomic structuring arose. -Physics now proposes a model involving a Big Bang, followed by the appearance of a panoply of different subatomic units like muons, the Higgs boson, etc. -With my model, our quantum/atomic universe was created by sending quantum electrons, from an atomically-structured base, through the ether beyond. The linear paths of the electrons through the ether aligned the vibrations of the ether units there, causing them to entrain with each other, forming larger units, up to the size scale of quantum units: protons and neutrons, and atoms.

While it's true that larger numbers of muons have been detected around the earth, which physics proposes arise when cosmic rays strike earth's outer atmosphere, my model would counter that those muons merely stem from vast cosmic collisions such as quasars and the like.

The current standard model in physics will never account for the systematic orderliness of atomic structuring.


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Message 318 of 364 (889332)
11-18-2021 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 317 by Michael MD
11-18-2021 8:50 AM


Re: Get Real.
You forgot to take Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd and Marvin the Martian into account.

--Percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 319 of 364 (889334)
11-18-2021 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 317 by Michael MD
11-18-2021 8:50 AM


Re: Get Real.
While it's true that larger numbers of muons have been detected around the earth, which physics proposes arise when cosmic rays strike earth's outer atmosphere, my model would counter that those muons merely stem from vast cosmic collisions such as quasars and the like.

Larger numbers of muons compared to what? So, you do not even have a clue what a quasar is. Such as quasars and the like? WTF is and the like?

You must have worked for months on this post.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 320 of 364 (889356)
11-19-2021 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by Tanypteryx
11-18-2021 11:40 AM


Re: Get Real.
When you refer to my ether model and remark that I "haven't a clue what a quasar is," you are starting to venture into a whole area of cosmology. To address how my ether model would treat quasars, and compare that to how quantum physics views the origin of quasars, would require deviating the discussion into pages and pages of new dialogue/debate,

My Creation Model has a basically-different overview, compared to "random forces" quantum physics, of how cosmic events like quasars originate. My Ether Model views cosmic forces and events like quasars from the viewpoint that such things are "under management" of ether-technology groups (does the term "UFO" ring a bell?), operating occultly with respect the earth people, who use etheric forces to keep the areas where entities exist safe from such chaotic disturbances as quasars.

To just touch on how my model views quasars in particular, they are super-energic systems resulting from super-nova collisions that have gotten out of hand, producing an enormous chaotic non-linear focus of energy requiring technological application, by UFOs, of even-greater, purely-linear ("cleaner") etheric forces, to overcome them, to where their non-linear chaotic effects can't disturb more-distant cosmic areas where entities are located. The quasar's super-energies are still there as seen astronomically, but no longer as harmful.


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Message 321 of 364 (889357)
11-19-2021 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Michael MD
11-19-2021 11:14 AM


Re: Get Real.
quote:
When you refer to my ether model and remark that I "haven't a clue what a quasar is," you are starting to venture into a whole area of cosmology.

No, it’s just pointing out that you are a silly crank who doesn’t know what he is talking about.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 322 of 364 (889358)
11-19-2021 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Michael MD
11-19-2021 11:14 AM


Re: Get Real.
When you refer to my ether model and remark that I "haven't a clue what a quasar is," you are starting to venture into a whole area of cosmology.

Well, you brought quasars up in the first place. Thank you for confirming that you still don't have a clue what they are.

My Ether Model views cosmic forces and events like quasars from the viewpoint that such things are "under management" of ether-technology groups (does the term "UFO" ring a bell?), operating occultly with respect the earth people, who use etheric forces to keep the areas where entities exist safe from such chaotic disturbances as quasars.

OK, now we are getting somewhere, your "Ether Model" is a science fiction and fantasy story. Watch out for those ether technology anal probes!

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 323 of 364 (889366)
11-20-2021 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by Tanypteryx
11-19-2021 11:45 AM


Re: Get Real.
As I said, I wouldn't want to take my Ether Model into the area of cosmology. My basic model of elemental forces and a universal ether has not gotten serious consideration yet, so it would be inappropriate to try to extend it further into the other area of theory.

The subject of cosmic muons came up in discussing creation and how atomic structuring may relate to that, but I would not want to take it any further into cosmologic theory.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 324 of 364 (889367)
11-20-2021 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by Michael MD
11-20-2021 12:00 PM


Re: Get Real.
As I said, I wouldn't want to take my Ether Model into the area of cosmology. My basic model of elemental forces and a universal ether has not gotten serious consideration yet, so it would be inappropriate to try to extend it further into the other area of theory.

You are making the right decision, it should stay in the hypothetical fantasy and science fiction section.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 325 of 364 (889400)
11-25-2021 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by Michael MD
11-20-2021 12:00 PM


Re: Get Real.
I mentioned that I didn't want to try promoting my Ether Model by applying it to cosmology, there would be an "other" area of theory I think my model would fit into well.

The question what is the nature of Time has been an ongoing subject of controversy for a long time. -Some fairly well-known theorists have even suggested abolishing the idea that Time actually exists at all (a concept that would fail to account for the finding that Time can vary with different locations and states of motion.)

If you apply my model, of a universal ether composed of individual units that vibrate, one can then propose a highly-rational theory of what Time actually is. Time would be a Rate, specifically the vibratory rate of the units that comprise the ether, because the ether (logically) must be universal, and must exist everywhere, existing both inside and outside everything.


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Phat
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Message 326 of 364 (889403)
11-25-2021 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 325 by Michael MD
11-25-2021 7:02 AM


Re: Get Real.
You really do like "your model" don't you? I suppose that SI cannot compete for her attention. But hey! There is always the freedom of speech!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 327 of 364 (889408)
11-25-2021 9:51 AM
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11-25-2021 7:02 AM


Re: Get Real.
Time would be a Rate,

This makes no sense. Time is prior to any notion of rate.

I'd say that Tanypteryx nailed it, when he said this all belongs in the science fiction and fantasy section.


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Message 328 of 364 (889409)
11-25-2021 10:31 AM
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11-25-2021 9:51 AM


Re: Get Real.
Please stop insulting Science Fiction and Fantasy.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 329 of 364 (889411)
11-25-2021 10:57 AM
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11-25-2021 10:31 AM


Re: Get Real.
Please stop insulting Science Fiction and Fantasy.

Hey there's a lot of shitty science fiction out there. MD added flying saucers, turning his model into just shitty fiction.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Percy
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Message 330 of 364 (889416)
11-25-2021 12:36 PM
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11-25-2021 7:02 AM


Re: Get Real.
Non-existence comes into play with any ether-based creation model, especially because the rate of units is shared by universal time, as opposed to individual units which must stand or fall depending on vibrational position and the motion of states.

--Percy


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