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Michael MD
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Message 361 of 443 (889491)
11-30-2021 8:22 AM
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11-29-2021 10:56 AM


I'm not sure if your reply was intended seriously, but a few posts ago, I said I wouldn't try to extend my Ether Model into cosmology, because the basic parts of the Model, involving the theory of elemental forces, hasn't received serious consideration yet. Therefore, taking the model further, into cosmic questions would be inappropriate.

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Message 362 of 443 (889494)
11-30-2021 8:47 AM
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11-29-2021 10:10 AM


My Post, on the connection between the vibratory dynamic of the ether proposed in my Ether Model, and the quantum dynamics observed with electronic/photonic energy-transmissions, wasn't quite complete.

To clarify the ether-portion of the model: when an outside photonic or electronic energy impinges on a normally "quiet" zone of ether (where ether units are vibrating quietly and randomly), the linearity of the outside energy causes the ether units there to become increasingly aligned with each other. That increases the amount of contact among the vibrating ether units. This increase in the alignments in turn produces an increase in the amount of entrainment among the ether units, into larger and larger energy units. This is why such large amounts of quantum units (electrons or photons) are found with their transmissions.

Photons in a light beam can be detected in the trillions. -One might ask a "no such thing as ether" quantist where all those photons can be coming from, in association with a sun beam, where the energy source is millions of miles away.


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Message 363 of 443 (889495)
11-30-2021 10:51 AM
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11-30-2021 8:22 AM


I said I wouldn't try to extend my Ether Model into cosmology, because the basic parts of the Model, involving the theory of elemental forces, hasn't received serious consideration yet.

Yeah, it's a pain when your model can't explain any of the questions in physics or even expand any of the answers in physics.

Your model has the same effect as adding zero or subtracting zero in an equation.


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Message 364 of 443 (889497)
11-30-2021 12:51 PM
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11-30-2021 10:51 AM


Your model has the same effect as adding zero or subtracting zero in an equation.

Oh, he's advanced it far beyond that point. He's up to multiplying and dividing by one, AKA "unity." The only reason he's stuck there is because he cannot figure out how to expand "unity" into massive quantities of word salad.


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Message 365 of 443 (889577)
12-05-2021 1:21 PM


This thread appears to still be alive.
For the love of gawd, WHY?

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Message 366 of 443 (889584)
12-05-2021 5:17 PM
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12-05-2021 1:21 PM


This thread appears to still be alive.

That's maybe because the author (OP) is still brain dead.

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Message 367 of 443 (889603)
12-06-2021 3:54 PM
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11-30-2021 8:47 AM


Thanks, Michael, we finally get it now. Your work here is done. Just sit by the phone and wait for the call from the Nobel committee.

--Percy


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Michael MD
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Message 368 of 443 (889964)
12-18-2021 8:08 AM
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11-30-2021 8:47 AM


A way to conceptualize a key essential of my Ether Model would be to think of it in the context of "the ether is everywhere."

As I have outlined in previous posts, I propose that a universal ether matrix exists which formed first-causally, when ultimately-rarified elemental units transitioned from reciprocally-oscillating to independently, and interactively, vibrating.

By referring to this basic framework, one can see how it would fit into explaining two important theoretic areas: the nature of Time and the propagation of light.

The nature of Time is not agreed on by theorists. -Using my basic Ether Model, Time would be a rate, specifically the rate of vibration of the ether units that comprise the universal ether matrix, because the ether is everywhere, both inside and outside of everything.

If one examines the question of how light propagates, in the light of current quantum theory, some nagging questions arise. -Quantum photons associated with sun beams can number in the trillions. -One might ask a quantist where all those photons are coming from, and how they arrived, when the energy source is millions of miles away.

Fitting this question into my Ether Model, propagation of these light beams, along with the appearance of photons, occur primarily through processes occurring in the ether. This light-propagation sub-model would go as follows.- When an energy source (the sun) radiates its light energy (which must involve ether units), the ether in the area reacts to the linear property of the energy transmission by aligning the ether units in adjoining areas, so that rather than vibrating quietly and randomly, these units align with each other, which increases their interactive contacts with each other. In my Model, as I have outlined previously, this increase in alignment produces entrainments of the ether units, via a process in which matching numbers of vibrations lock and link up. -In my Model, that is how larger and larger energy units are formed, as light propagates in the ether, up to the size scale of photons.

With this picture of the ether matrix, there can be no distance-limits to conduction of light beams. The ether is everywhere, and the ether units are functionally continuously connected (although the individual units are not perfectly contiguous throughout, being vibratory.) -As a light beam travels through space, photons are generated all along its path, as the ether units react to the in-coming energy. That is how the ether model can rationally account for the passage of photonic light over vast cosmic distances.


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Message 369 of 443 (889965)
12-18-2021 9:00 AM


Don't give up that job in the patent office just yet.

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Message 370 of 443 (889966)
12-18-2021 11:23 AM
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12-18-2021 8:08 AM


I'm glad you cleared that up.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 371 of 443 (889967)
12-18-2021 11:26 AM
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12-18-2021 11:23 AM


This may well be the longest Shaggy Dog Story in history.

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Message 372 of 443 (889968)
12-18-2021 11:36 AM
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12-18-2021 8:08 AM


I congratulate you on your demonstration of a monumentally effective treatment for constipated cattle.

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Message 373 of 443 (889969)
12-18-2021 11:40 AM
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12-18-2021 8:08 AM


By referring to this basic framework, one can see how it would fit into explaining two important theoretic areas: the nature of Time and the propagation of light.

And yet you still have nothing that can be experimentally tested.

You are still just making up stories, and pretending that they are science.


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Message 374 of 443 (889977)
12-19-2021 7:51 AM
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The kind of ether I propose exists couldn't be tested for using traditional methods. Traditional procedures used in quantum physics in settings like a laboratory wouldn't work. You'd have to set up a field test using naturally-occurring materials, in a different kind of setting.

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Message 375 of 443 (889978)
12-19-2021 9:25 AM
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12-19-2021 7:51 AM


The kind of ether I propose exists couldn't be tested for using traditional methods.

The it is not science. It is woo.

Traditional procedures used in quantum physics in settings like a laboratory wouldn't work.

And it isn't even quantum woo. It's just woo for the sake of woo.

You'd have to set up a field test using naturally-occurring materials, in a different kind of setting.

Sorry, no, but it is you who needs to do that. Nobody will take you seriously until you have something testable.

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