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Message 391 of 443 (890293)
12-31-2021 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Percy
12-31-2021 9:46 AM


Your original uncyclical attempts researching etheric classical luminosity undermine elucidations liquidating ephemeral standard systematics.

Or, his molecubes are out of alignment, tactimatically speaking.

ABE: I have a feeling I have said this before!

Edited by Tanypteryx, : I realized that I said this before


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Message 392 of 443 (890316)
01-01-2022 3:27 AM
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12-30-2021 9:43 AM


jar,

Of course, any quantum technology, including ether net, necessarily taps into the ether to a limited degree. In my Ether model, the ether is everywhere, and any quantum-based technology, including Ether Net, necessarily taps into the ether, in a "limited" way, but not to the extent that a direct ether technology would do. Nevertheless, quantum-based dynamic systems like "ether net", (I claim) always originate in the vibrational dynamics of the underlying ether.

What I claim is that there could be a way to directly tap into the ether (using a novel set-up involving a non-traditional approach, involving naturally-occurring materials and a more-natural setting). So far, I haven't been able to get any support. Official grant agencies want to know what background support I have, what academic affiliations, what hard experimental data there is, and the like.


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Message 393 of 443 (890320)
01-01-2022 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 392 by Michael MD
01-01-2022 3:27 AM


Bird nets catch birds.

Fish nets catch fish.

ETHER nets catch ether.


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Message 394 of 443 (890325)
01-01-2022 12:23 PM
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01-01-2022 3:27 AM


OK, so your "ether" is Brahman-Atman. Why didn't you just tell us you were Hindu and be done with it?

 
And do please stop with your Ethernet nonsense already! It's just plain embarassing!

"Ethernet" is just a name that they chose at Xerox PARC for their implementation of the Data Link Layer of the OSI model of computer networking.

"Ethernet" is just a name which does not actually tie it to any actual ether! Just like the various "DNA" software products do not actually involve any literal deoxyribonucleic acid. Nor does the Java programming language actually incorporate any coffee (despite the fact of the magic cookie header of a compiled Java bytecode file spelling out "CAFE BABE" in a hex dump) -- they wanted to name their new language "Oak" after the tree in front of their office, but that name was already taken by another software project that, surprisingly, didn't involve any actual literal tree nor lumber.

The history of Ethernet shows that it was named after a very common slang phrase for radio transmission (eg, "Sending the broadcast out over the ether", "the ether was buzzing with message traffic"):

quote:
The idea [for Ethernet] was first documented in a memo that Metcalfe wrote on May 22, 1973, where he named it after the luminiferous aether once postulated to exist as an "omnipresent, completely-passive medium for the propagation of electromagnetic waves."

 
Honestly! What is wrong with you literalists?


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Message 395 of 443 (890327)
01-01-2022 12:51 PM
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01-01-2022 12:23 PM


You don't realize you are sidelining an ongoing hilarity that seems to have gone egregiously misunderstood leading to an abundance of pleasant intellectual distractions.

The ether must be tamed, and an ether net is the tool that may help do that. Get with the program SSgt.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 396 of 443 (890328)
01-01-2022 12:55 PM
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01-01-2022 12:23 PM


And do please stop with your Ethernet nonsense already! It's just plain embarassing!

To be fair, Michael MD didn't start the "ethernet" part.

As far as I can tell, his "ether" is also just a name. The problem, as I see it, is that we are at around post 395 in this thread, and Michael MD still has not told us what his "ether" actually names.


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Message 397 of 443 (890362)
01-03-2022 7:47 AM
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01-01-2022 12:23 PM


dWise1,

You direct your objection, about a mention of linking the ether net to a proposed universal ether, to me, but by saying the "ether" net is just a name rather than a particular link-up to a universal ether, you were saying the same thing I said about it. You should have addressed your theoretic objection toward jar, who was the one who brought up the ether-net topic.


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Message 398 of 443 (890366)
01-03-2022 11:34 AM
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01-03-2022 7:47 AM


Bump for Michael MD
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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 399 of 443 (890574)
01-08-2022 1:17 PM
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01-03-2022 7:47 AM


Addendum, to the suggestion of jar, that the ether net could, at least theoretically, hold keys to tapping into the universal ether. -My model of the ether could fall in line with the idea that ether-net's manipulations of ways ordinary energy transmissions are transmitted could, at least theoretically, enhance the degree to which quantal units, like electrons, in a transmission could be increased in number, if such a manipulation happens to increase the amount those units are being formed, from ether units in their vicinity that are aligning, and entraining with, each other, to form the larger units.

One technique ether net has used involves physically twisting fibers within a transmission wire. -it seems at least possible that could stimulate such interactions between the ether and the quantum units.


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Message 400 of 443 (890582)
01-08-2022 2:25 PM
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01-08-2022 1:17 PM


One technique ether net has used involves physically twisting fibers within a transmission wire. -it seems at least possible that could stimulate such interactions between the ether and the quantum units.

So then you also don't know anything about electricity? More specifically, basic electro-magnetics which used to be taught as early as in elementary school:

  • When a electrical current runs through a wire, it generates a magnetic field around that wire in accordance with the right-hand rule (for engineers using conventional current; technicians using actual electron current use the left hand).

  • When a wire moves through a magnetic field, then it induces a current in that wire. This is the basis for electric generators. Of course, for such applications the wire is wrapped up into a coil to concentrate the effect.

    Please keep in mind that that motion is relative. Moving a wire through a stationary magnetic field has the same inductive effect as moving a magnetic field through a stationary wire.

  • As a signal is carried through that wire, that causes the current to fluctuate which in turn causes the magnetic field to fluctuate accordingly. As that fluctuating magnetic field passes through an adjacent stationary wire, it induces a current in that adjacent wire. Thus the signal in the first wire gets injected, albeit imperfectly, into the second wire resulting in cross-talk.

    Cross-talk is normally a bad thing in communications systems and needs to be eliminated or at least minimized as much as possible.

  • This is basically the same effect as is used by radio antennae in which the radio-frequency EM signal induces a current signal in the antenna which the rest of the radio receiver processes. The antenna's physical and electrical properties need to be compatible with the desired signal's wave form such that if the antenna is too mismatched to receiving the signal then it will perform very poorly.

  • The common technique that every electrical and electronics technician knows for reducing cross-talk is to use twisted-pair cables. Basically, that reduces the length of any part of the "receiving" wire so as to mismatch it to the frequency of the signal.

    Indeed, this technique is so well known and so old that it was invented by Alexander Graham Bell.

It's just basic electro-magnetism. Nothing mystical about it.

From Twisted pair:

quote:
Twisted pair cabling is a type of wiring in which two conductors of a single circuit are twisted together for the purposes of improving electromagnetic compatibility. Compared to a single conductor or an untwisted balanced pair, a twisted pair reduces electromagnetic radiation from the pair and crosstalk between neighboring pairs and improves rejection of external electromagnetic interference. It was invented by Alexander Graham Bell.

For additional noise immunity, twisted-pair cabling may be shielded. Cable with shielding is known as shielded twisted pair (STP) and without as unshielded twisted pair (UTP).


 
You keep reminding me of another MD, Michael Denton from Australia. He was so impressed with his own brilliance that he wrote an entire book, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), to refute evolution.

What he learned from publishing that book was how very ignorant he was about evolution.


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Message 401 of 443 (890584)
01-08-2022 2:41 PM
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01-08-2022 2:25 PM


yet another related aside
Long long ago in a land far far away a longed-for event was the weekend drive. These were not on interstates but rather the usually one- or two-lane US highway system. The roads were lined with the power poles and dad us to pick one line and follow it while we traveled. Soon it was obvious that the lines changed order rotating from roadside to center to field side and then back.

And of course, as soon as we figured that out the question was asked of us by dad; "Why?"


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Message 402 of 443 (890591)
01-08-2022 3:05 PM
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01-08-2022 2:41 PM


Re: yet another related aside
Yes, that was covered in the History section of the "Twisted pair" article, which linked my to Transposition (telecommunications) which explains it more fully.

That twisted pair history section (it's short enough):

quote:
History

The earliest telephones used telegraph lines which were single-wire earth return circuits. In the 1880s electric trams were installed in many cities, which induced noise into these circuits. In some countries, the tram companies were held responsible for disruption to existing telegraph lines and had to pay for remedial work. For new installations, however, it was necessary to protect against existing trams from the outset. Interference on telephone lines is even more disruptive than it is on telegraph lines. Telephone companies converted to balanced circuits, which had the incidental benefit of reducing attenuation, hence increasing range.

As electrical power distribution became more commonplace, this measure proved inadequate. Two wires, strung on either side of cross bars on utility poles, shared the route with electrical power lines. Within a few years, the growing use of electricity again brought an increase of interference, so engineers devised a method called wire transposition, to cancel out the interference.

In wire transposition, the wires exchange position once every several poles. In this way, the two wires would receive similar EMI from power lines. This represented an early implementation of twisting, with a twist rate of about four twists per kilometre, or six per mile. Such open-wire balanced lines with periodic transpositions still survive today in some rural areas.

Twisted-pair cabling was invented by Alexander Graham Bell in 1881. By 1900, the entire American telephone network was either twisted pair or open wire with transposition to guard against interference. Today, most of the millions of kilometres of twisted pairs in the world are outdoor landlines, owned and maintained by telephone companies, used for voice service.



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Message 403 of 443 (890607)
01-08-2022 4:01 PM
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Re: yet another related aside
Fortunately for us kids we didn't have access to such resources.

It was observations liker this that lead to many hours of thought experiments and discourse.

The best way to learn is when you have no idea you are learning.


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Message 404 of 443 (890702)
01-10-2022 9:07 AM
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01-08-2022 2:25 PM


My reply to your Post is that it is inappropriate, in the context of my Thread's lengthy presentation of a new model for a universal ether, to counter it, as you have, just with assertions based on standard quantum theory - which itself is based on rejection of the existence of any ether whatsoever.

To offer my overview of the "non sequitur" of our kind of "confrontation," i will briefly outline how my Ether Model views the subjects you mentioned.

In my Ether Model, an underlying (universal) vibratory ether initiates the flow of electric current, in a wire or other "solid" quantum conduction medium.
Quantum electrons are generated, as the ether units align and entrain with each other, producing larger energy units, as vibrationally-matching units lock their vibrations, and link with each other in larger and larger "etheroidal" ether units, up to the size of quantum units. This is a vibratory dynamic system. The quantum units, on the other hand, interact via a separate (non-vibratory) dynamic, but the electrons still retain a vibratory link with the underlying ether units, because these, like all quantum units, had their origin from entrainment of ether units in the universal ether matrix.

My model views magnetism (and gravity) as due to "leakage" of etheroidal units through the "apparent" barrier of the solid conducting medium, such as a wire or core, where the slightly smaller size of the etheroidal units, compared to quantum units, allows them to pass through into the ether outside, where a corresponding energy-gradient is established (which we call a "magnetic field.") But the basic process s similar both inside and outside the conducting medium. There is an energy gradient in the ether between the two poles, or nodes, involved, which, in the ether, had initiated the transmission.

Magnetic attraction (as well as gravity) is due to constriction of the ether outside the conducting medium, as the ether out there becomes partially quantized, due to the induction there of the near-quantum etheroidal units coming from etheric processes in the intense inner transmission.


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Message 405 of 443 (890703)
01-10-2022 9:18 AM
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Bump for Michael MD
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Tanypteryx writes:

In the newest issue (January2022) of Scientific American there is an interesting article, Can We Gauge Quantum Time of Flight? by Anil Ananthaswamy.

You might benefit from reading it and then reading it again. Note how hypotheses are proposed and what different results of experiments might support or reject different predictions. Then compare that to everything you have written here. Do you see the difference?

We already know a whole shitload of things about the Universe, and a part of that knowledge is; we know a lot about the gaps in our knowledge.

Physicists look at what we know with finer and finer resolution and propose solutions and predict what we should see if they are correct, but also what it means if they are incorrect.

They have to have to have a signal or observation or the unexplained absence of an expected signal or observation to investigate.

You have not shown us a single observation, or lack of one, that would convince a physicist to search for your undetected ether or to propose it as the solution to any observed gaps in our knowledge, yet you speak so authoritatively about it as if you have already detected it, or calculated its properties.

You have not been successful at bullshitting any of us, but it looks to us like you have been very successful at bullshitting yourself.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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