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AZPaul3
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Message 46 of 126 (885514)
04-15-2021 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by dwise1
04-15-2021 6:09 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
engineering techno-babble

Ahh yes, the Heisenberg compensator.

I didn't realize there was a linguistic category for crack-pot techno-babble.

And people say science is limited.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 47 of 126 (885518)
04-16-2021 9:37 AM
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04-14-2021 10:59 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
What I meant in my post about "generating a selectively etheric field" did not refer to fashioning some sort of a "generator." You would instead generate the field from the planet itself, using natural materials as resonators, and a certain way of arranging the components of the in-the-field set-up.

The protocol I have in mind would be a major one, and pretty expensive


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Message 48 of 126 (885519)
04-16-2021 9:57 AM
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04-15-2021 8:36 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
I received my MD degree from Boston University School of Medicine. I practiced medicine for 30 years, including a couple years in the US Army Medical Corps. I am now retired from medicine.

I became interested in para mainstream mysteries in the 1970s, when people began debating about the Bermuda Triangle and a few other similar areas. That eventually led me to focus mainly on the scientific questions that arose. Ultimately, it led to the ether model I developed.


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Message 49 of 126 (885523)
04-16-2021 12:32 PM
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04-15-2021 6:09 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
dwise1 writes:

As an engineer, I found that I could follow the engineering techno-babble and it made sense or was at least coherent. My dermatologist was a sci-fi fan so I asked her about their medical techno-babble and she attested to its quality.


Once upon a time a biologist and a geologist were discussing a creationist lecture that they had both attended. The biologist said that the biology was garbage but the geology sounded good. The geologist said that the geology was garbage but the biology sounded good.

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Message 50 of 126 (885524)
04-16-2021 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:37 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
What I meant in my post about "generating a selectively etheric field" did not refer to fashioning some sort of a "generator."

So the ether is not a component of the Universe, but rather a "field" that you create? And what is the difference between a selectively etheric field and just a plain etheric field?

You would instead generate the field from the planet itself

With what, a deathstar?

using natural materials as resonators

What happens if you use un-natural material?

and a certain way of arranging the components of the in-the-field set-up.

Can you describe your observations that led you to to your certain way of arranging the components of the in-the-field setup?

The protocol I have in mind would be a major one, and pretty expensive

So, are you going to share this "major" protocol with us, or is it a secret?

If you are shooting for a Nobel you will probably need to provide more details and publish in a peer reviewed scientific journal.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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Message 51 of 126 (885525)
04-16-2021 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:57 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
when people began debating about the Bermuda Triangle and a few other similar areas.

Similar areas? Similar in what way?

That eventually led me to focus mainly on the scientific questions that arose.

What scientific questions? You mean like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?

Ultimately, it led to the ether model I developed.

Wow, what a story! Made up urban myths led you to the ether model that so far you haven't described.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 52 of 126 (885526)
04-16-2021 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:37 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You would instead generate the field from the planet itself, using natural materials as resonators, and a certain way of arranging the components of the in-the-field set-up.

My early answer still applies. You need to get busy on this.

People who doubt the existence of the ether aren't likely to do it for you.

The protocol I have in mind would be a major one, and pretty expensive

Then you need to publish something about it. That way, either people will laugh at you or people might be persuaded to join in.

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Message 53 of 126 (885527)
04-16-2021 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:57 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Mike, I’m surprised that after 30 years in the medical profession you don’t seem to comprehend the methods you practiced all your life.

This is not the way science is done and you should already know this.

First, you keep saying you have a model. No, you do not have a model. A model is the math not the prose. You have not presented any model here, Mike. Please stop using that term to describe your speculation until you provide the equations.

Second, you have refused to answer any of the detailed questions put to you. The discipline requires you answer questions.

Next, your jargon-laden explanations use known settled jargon in illogical and inappropriate ways. You can’t fill a space with vectors, Mike. You cannot have oscillatory fatigue by an undefined immaterial field. And I can cite half-a-dozen more. You do not seem to understand the concepts behind the words you use resulting in your words reading as gibberish.

Bermuda Triangle and a few other similar areas. That eventually led me to focus mainly on the scientific questions that arose. Ultimately, it led to the ether model I developed.

Really. How does the Bermuda Triangle lead to your aether supposition? What is the logical chain of connection?

Mike, I don’t think you know what you are talking about. Everything you have presented is jargon-heavy nonsense with no explanations and certainly no model.

Are you a nutjob? Seriously, Mike, are you the crackpot you appear to be or do you have answers?


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Message 54 of 126 (885528)
04-16-2021 3:43 PM
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04-16-2021 1:23 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
AZPaul3 writes:

How does the Bermuda Triangle lead to your aether supposition?


Man-eating aether. Hungry Hungry Aether.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 55 of 126 (885529)
04-16-2021 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:57 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
AZPaul3 writes:

Mike, I’m surprised that after 30 years in the medical profession you don’t seem to comprehend the methods you practiced all your life.

He isnt stitching up a gash in your leg, for crying out loud! You have this dim-witted idea that the scientific method is some sort of mantra to explain life and that is the only approach that people can or should use.

AZPaul3 writes:

This is not the way science is done...

Who said that the good retired Doctor is using science? He is discussing a pop concept, like Aliens or the Bermuda Triangle or Loki having an equal voice as a God candidate.
nwr writes:

People who doubt the existence of the ether aren't likely to do it for you.

I know that nwr is right about this one.\! People who doubt the existance of God never helped me much either, apart from playing rather good devils advocates. Be encouraged, Michael MD. May the Farce be with you!

Cosmic Butterfly Debunker writes:

You mean like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?

Perhaps you guys need to all learn to read! Michael MD set the stage early on.
Michael MD writes:

-Here, I will not try to go into all the aspects of this theoretical disconnect, but rather I will just present my ether-based model of creation.

It appears obvious to me that Michael MD was simply waxing philosophical and hypothetical.

All of you literalist critical thinkers are ready to slay the first guy that waunders from your precious methodology. Answer me this, Tanypteryx: If Stan Lee or Isaac Asimov were spinning a sci fi tale of intrigue with pseudo science which they had created simply for entertainment value (and to pass the time speculating with other Sci Fi lovers, would you corner either of them and ask them

...like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?

Michael MD writes:

I became interested in para mainstream mysteries in the 1970s, when people began debating about the Bermuda Triangle and a few other similar areas.

Right here the good Doctor tells us that the topic interests him. He is not trying to push it to be accepted mainstream. He is not claiming it is true....only that it is speculative and reasonable within SCI Fi para mainstream pop culture.

You guys really need to loosen up around here.

Edited by Phat, : spinning not sinning


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AZPaul3
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Message 56 of 126 (885530)
04-16-2021 6:42 PM
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04-16-2021 4:59 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
He is not trying to push it to be accepted mainstream. He is not claiming it is true...

Phat, that is exactly what he is trying to do. I don't think he realizes what he is hoping for is not possible. It's part of the fantasy.


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Message 57 of 126 (885531)
04-16-2021 6:42 PM
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04-16-2021 4:59 PM


learn how to read Phat! Really, basics.
Michael MD posted nothing but utterly stupid word salad that could only interest those who have never learned how to think. Not only was there no substance there was no indication that Michael MD had a clue what most of the terms he attempted to use even mean.

No wonder you fall for the nonsense the apologists try to sell, you cannot read or listen to what is actually said.

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title


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Message 58 of 126 (885532)
04-16-2021 9:12 PM
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04-16-2021 4:59 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Phat writes:

Answer me this, Tanypteryx: If Stan Lee or Isaac Asimov were spinning a sci fi tale of intrigue with pseudo science which they had created simply for entertainment value (and to pass the time speculating with other Sci Fi lovers, would you corner either of them and ask them

...like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?

Of course not. This may be a surprise to you, but the "Fi" in SciFi stands for Fiction.

You may have noticed that I asked the retired MD a bunch of other specific questions prompted specifically by what he wrote. So far, his responses to everyone might as well have been in Klingon. How is anyone going to find out what he has come up with and how he came up with it if we don't ask?

And Phat, the Bermuda Triangle is fiction.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 59 of 126 (885533)
04-16-2021 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Michael MD
04-16-2021 9:57 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Bermuda Triangle
Well there is your problem, the Bermuda Triangle anomaly doesn't even exist! More ships and aircraft are lost in other areas per square mile and so this is a made up anomaly, i.e. it doesn't exist.

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Message 60 of 126 (885534)
04-17-2021 5:01 AM
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Re: Stop and smell the aether
quote:
All of you literalist critical thinkers are ready to slay the first guy that waunders from your precious methodology. Answer me this, Tanypteryx: If Stan Lee or Isaac Asimov were spinning a sci fi tale of intrigue with pseudo science which they had created simply for entertainment value (and to pass the time speculating with other Sci Fi lovers, would you corner either of them and ask them
...like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?

If you think that this is simply fiction, what is it doing in the “Is it Science?” Forum ? Pastiches of bad 1970s SF belong in the Coffee House, if anywhere.

quote:
Right here the good Doctor tells us that the topic interests him. He is not trying to push it to be accepted mainstream. He is not claiming it is true....only that it is speculative and reasonable within SCI Fi para mainstream pop culture.

It isn’t. That’s pretty obvious.


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