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AZPaul3
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Message 76 of 305 (885569)
04-18-2021 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Michael MD
04-18-2021 7:57 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Trying this interdisciplinary, wide-ranging, kind of model in a forum like EvC seemed the likeliest way to go, with the kind of model I have.

No, Mike. A lot of the folk here are science types just like the reviewers.

Since you have given us less than you give the reviewers, we cannot do better than your reviewer's response of "I wouldn't know where to start" except our language and tone is much more colorful and damning.

No, Mike, I don't think this forum is the proper venue for you to present these few scraps of your work. I don't think any venue is appropriate for this hairbrained, crackpot crap.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 77 of 305 (885574)
04-19-2021 9:12 AM
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04-18-2021 8:15 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Actual experiments have been done in the area of synchronizing sound waves that have produced levitation (of relatively light-weight objects), and the researchers have speculated, rather vaguely, about "some sort of etheric process" being at work. -I have not yet seen anyone propose a detailed model for how etheric effects like this are produced (other than mine.)

The way my ether model would address this effect would be that if one focuses synchronized sound waves upon an ordinary object, you produce a state of increased energic motion upon the molecules and atoms of the object, an effect that can, when intensified by sufficient amplification/synchronization, "filter down" to yet-smaller components of the object, which are more etheric. (In my model, etheric components involved in producing the etheric effect of levitation would not involve the elemental ether units inside the object, but rather, "intermediate," already-partially quantized, "etheroidal" units, which are still dynamically within the vibrational dynamic of the ether, but are also "nearly quantal" and in a partially-energized state. By intensifying the internal energy-state of the internal units the object is composed of, using the sound waves, the overall density of the object becomes more etheric and levitates.


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PaulK
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Message 78 of 305 (885575)
04-19-2021 9:27 AM
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04-19-2021 9:12 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
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Actual experiments have been done in the area of synchronizing sound waves that have produced levitation (of relatively light-weight objects), and the researchers have speculated, rather vaguely, about "some sort of etheric process" being at work.

I very much doubt that any serious researcher would say any such thing. Do you have any references? Or any reason to think that there is any effect beyond the direct effects of the sound waves (which obviously could affect suitably light objects)?


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Message 79 of 305 (885576)
04-19-2021 10:24 AM
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04-19-2021 9:12 AM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Actual experiments have been done in the area of synchronizing sound waves that have produced levitation (of relatively light-weight objects), and the researchers have speculated, rather vaguely, about "some sort of etheric process" being at work. -I have not yet seen anyone propose a detailed model for how etheric effects like this are produced (other than mine.)

Acoustic levitation is a pretty well understood phenomenon. I've never heard anyone speculate about "etheric processes"
It's just a standing sound wave that produces pressure on the object (usually from both above and below via a transducer and reflector)
It's explained pretty well on Howstuffworks.com


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Message 80 of 305 (885578)
04-19-2021 10:59 AM
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04-19-2021 9:12 AM


bilious baby babbling
Michael MD writes:

The way my ether model would address this effect would be that if one focuses synchronized sound waves upon an ordinary object, you produce a state of increased energic motion upon the molecules and atoms of the object, an effect that can, when intensified by sufficient amplification/synchronization, "filter down" to yet-smaller components of the object, which are more etheric. (In my model, etheric components involved in producing the etheric effect of levitation would not involve the elemental ether units inside the object, but rather, "intermediate," already-partially quantized, "etheroidal" units, which are still dynamically within the vibrational dynamic of the ether, but are also "nearly quantal" and in a partially-energized state. By intensifying the internal energy-state of the internal units the object is composed of, using the sound waves, the overall density of the object becomes more etheric and levitates.

You have no model so stop claiming you do. All you have is sophomoric playground babble. Your spiel is truly embarrassing.

Edited by jar, : s + o == so


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Message 81 of 305 (885593)
04-19-2021 5:26 PM
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04-18-2021 5:18 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You have to admit, though, that for a low input troll this wasn't bad in terms of its response/gibberish ratio.

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Message 82 of 305 (885594)
04-19-2021 8:03 PM
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04-19-2021 5:26 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You have to admit, though, that for a low input troll this wasn't bad in terms of its response/gibberish ratio.

And he doesn't have a huge chip on his shoulder because scientists are biased against the truth, his truth, but his idea is pretty bizarre.


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Message 83 of 305 (885608)
04-20-2021 2:06 PM
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04-19-2021 8:03 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
The standard model of acoustic levitation includes a number of hypothetical propositions, and is based on quantum physics, with no consideration of any possible underlying ether..

I hold to my ether (sub)model for acoustic levitation. -A key feature of this model is the idea that the larger ether units (which could be called "etheroidal" in my model) are the units involved, because they would be much closer in size-scale to the quantum/atomic units, which represent most of the levitating object's bulk. In my ether model for acoustic levitation, the linear effect of increased acoustic energy focused upon the object creates an increase in the alignment of the vibrations of etheroidal units in the object, this increase in etheric activity causing an increase in the amount of the ether, relative to the amount of quantum units, making up the entire object, and decreasing the object's density, causing it to levitate.

Elemental ether units would not be involved in this kind of ether process. The best example of how the elemental ether units would be centrally important would be quantum entanglement (QE). I have previously mentioned my submodel for QE, which is that QE represents radiated packets of elemental ether units which have the same vibratory pattern. My creation-model proposes that vibrational elemental ether units are universal, their formation having been from an original universal oscillation, so that they would be first-causally related.) They would also, later, become the basic "building blocks" of quantum units. Identical elemental ether units would also exist throughout space. In QE, the elemental units comprising the quantum units "feel" the surrounding ether's elemental units, and thus each other, through the mutual vibrations.

I reviewed QE again, to better illustrate how my Model proposes different ways elemental units, and larger etheroidal units, could affect the behavior of overlying quantum units.


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Message 84 of 305 (885611)
04-20-2021 2:27 PM
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04-20-2021 2:06 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
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The standard model of acoustic levitation includes a number of hypothetical propositions, and is based on quantum physics, with no consideration of any possible underlying ether..

Ordinary wave mechanics is all that is required. What “hypothetical propositions’ would even be needed? Certainly not your “ether” (which is not the ether).

quote:
The best example of how the elemental ether units would be centrally important would be quantum entanglement (QE). I have previously mentioned my submodel for QE, which is that QE represents radiated packets of elemental ether units which have the same vibratory pattern. My creation-model proposes that vibrational elemental ether units are universal, their formation having been from an original universal oscillation, so that they would be first-causally related.) They would also, later, become the basic "building blocks" of quantum units. Identical elemental ether units would also exist throughout space. In QE, the elemental units comprising the quantum units "feel" the surrounding ether's elemental units, and thus each other, through the mutual vibrations.

This is just a wodge of jargon without any real explanation.


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Message 85 of 305 (885613)
04-20-2021 2:43 PM
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04-20-2021 2:06 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
Amazingly uninformative.

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 86 of 305 (885616)
04-20-2021 3:06 PM
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04-20-2021 2:06 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
I reviewed QE again, to better illustrate how my Model proposes different ways elemental units, and larger etheroidal units, could affect the behavior of overlying quantum units.

I'd like to see that review, if you please. Could you bring that here? That would be good.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 87 of 305 (885649)
04-21-2021 2:19 PM
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04-20-2021 3:06 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
By referring to "a review" of quantum entanglement, I was referring (possibly confusingly) to the fact that I had already given my ether model for quantum entanglement, and in the present Post, I am mentioning it again. I repeated the same description of the entanglement model in order to show how, in my ether model, elemental ether units can account for quantum entanglement, whereas in acoustic levitation, my model would call instead upon the much-larger "etheroidal" ether units, which in size scale are more able to quickly respond to an outside energy source, and interact, to produce levitation.

To appreciate how my model works, one has to keep in mind that etheric units interact via vibration, only. Quantum units interact via a dynamic involving the familiar waves, vectors, and so on, but are viewed in my model as also retaining the ability to interact vibrationally with the ether.


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Message 88 of 305 (885652)
04-21-2021 2:35 PM
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04-21-2021 2:19 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
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I repeated the same description of the entanglement model in order to show how, in my ether model, elemental ether units can account for quantum entanglement...

Except it doesn’t show any such thing. As I pointed out it is notably lacking in the details required to show anything. It doesn’t show that you have anything more than some vague ideas and undefined jargon.

quote:
... whereas in acoustic levitation, my model would call instead upon the much-larger "etheroidal" ether units, which in size scale are more able to quickly respond to an outside energy source, and interact, to produce levitation.

You have yet to provide any reason why anyone would want to invoke your “ether” (which isn’t the ether) when there is no need for any exotic physics.

quote:
To appreciate how my model works, one has to keep in mind that etheric units interact via vibration, only.

I have yet to see any sign you have anything deserving of being called a model, let alone any sign it works. And simply talking about “vibration’ - whatever you mean by that - does not help.


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Message 89 of 305 (885654)
04-21-2021 5:41 PM
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04-21-2021 2:19 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
By referring to "a review" of quantum entanglement, I was referring (possibly confusingly) to the fact that I had already given my ether model for quantum entanglement

So you do not have anything but your description of things, leaving the most important details to our imaginations. No math. No model.

If that is all you can present then you have presented nothing. There is nothing in your prose-based faux-model to comprehend on the level required for physics studies.

Again, Mike, this is crackpot tactics.

You should show your math. Without that you have no model and no aether.


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Message 90 of 305 (885656)
04-21-2021 5:50 PM
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Re: Stop and smell the aether
You should show your math. Without that you have no model and no aether.

He has some good vibes though, again according to him.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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