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Message 5 of 323 (885601)
04-20-2021 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tanypteryx
04-18-2021 10:55 PM


Re: Astronomy
Sounds suspiciously like a human-centric quantifiable universe...dare I say multiverse. This whole math thing is no replacement for woo.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 95 of 323 (888909)
10-22-2021 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Tanypteryx
10-21-2021 8:50 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
Tanypteryx writes:
We are making no effort to mitigate the tsunami of human-caused disasters that are right here looming where we can see and touch them. The Earth's ecosystems are collapsing and we've had decades of warnings and humanity is plugging their ears.
I'm noting that you understand that humans know what to do and yet do not address it. At work during my Smalltalk sessions with my customers, I mention that life has gone on pretty much stable and comfortable for many decades. I quip to them that if the Far Right is correct, we will have to deal with a spiritual apocalypse and if the secular intellectuals are right, it will be global warming and possibly other apocalyptic (or at best) societally changing events. I fear that people of either political ideology won't listen until it's too late.(Or if ever) I turn on the news less now.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 98 of 323 (888917)
10-23-2021 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by nwr
10-22-2021 5:53 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
First of all, you are stereotyping Christians. (SOME not ALL)
Second of all, "bullshit religious issues" won't go away. Nor will religion being mixed with politics. Our challenge as critics and supporters is to find consensus.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 108 of 323 (888972)
10-27-2021 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by jar
10-25-2021 2:05 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
We also need to watch out for false prophets who claim that God and Jesus are human-created characters in a book and that one can be a good Christian simply by being an empathetic humanist.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 297 of 323 (897693)
09-10-2022 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by AZPaul3
09-09-2022 11:35 PM


Re: Cool. Something Sorta Good.
Do they have any clue what would happen if the Sun sent that thing this way? If it fried all of the i-phones it would be time to buy Apple Stock.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 301 of 323 (897710)
09-10-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Tanypteryx
09-10-2022 12:29 AM


Re: Cool. Something Sorta Good.
I know. I was joking. There are several plausible events that could and would wipe out modern civilization as we know it.
  • Yellowstone or other major volcanic eruptions such as Mt. Ranier
  • Asteroid
  • Nuclear War (as little as 5 warheads would do the trick)
    Civilization won't be wiped out by the events themselves but by the resulting human reaction to the event. If we don't reach out and help each other now, we certainly wont once resources are drastically altered.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 302 of 323 (897711)
    09-10-2022 12:14 PM
    Reply to: Message 300 by Theodoric
    09-10-2022 11:03 AM


    Re: Cool. Something Sorta Good.
    Humans cant get along now. How would we get along then after such an event?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 304 of 323 (897717)
    09-10-2022 1:34 PM
    Reply to: Message 303 by Tangle
    09-10-2022 1:11 PM


    Giving Doom A Rest
    Tangle writes:
    Doom! Doom! We're all Doomed!

    Give it a rest.
    The issue is are we ready? Doom is inevitable. Death and Taxes are inevitable, but we usually give them a rest when we can.
    I suppose you would encourage me to drop the Bronze Age "superstitions and mythos", get on board the Humanist bandwagon, and go to infinity and beyond!

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 306 of 323 (897722)
    09-10-2022 1:55 PM
    Reply to: Message 305 by Tanypteryx
    09-10-2022 1:52 PM


    Re: Giving Doom A Rest
    My! the bugman seems to have a demon. Wonder if its a dragon or a damsel?
    Add by Edit: This topic is in the Coffee House! What...you don't sit at the same table with moderate/conservatives? You will go extinct long before your dragonflies do.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 308 of 323 (897724)
    09-10-2022 2:00 PM
    Reply to: Message 307 by Tanypteryx
    09-10-2022 1:58 PM


    Re: Giving Doom A Rest
    the question I ask is why are you so angry this morning? Do I ever care if you comment in whatever thread you like? No. Do I annoy you that much?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 309 of 323 (897725)
    09-10-2022 2:03 PM
    Reply to: Message 294 by Tanypteryx
    08-02-2022 1:08 PM


    Re: JWST Captures Stellar Gymnastics in The Cartwheel Galaxy
    OK, I'm sorry. The James Webb Space Telescope images are pretty cool!

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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