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AZPaul3
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Message 106 of 139 (888970)
10-27-2021 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by ringo
10-25-2021 12:51 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
Ideologies are categorizations of similar-like thoughts. They are meant to describe bodies of common thought. They are not (supposed to be) unthinking emotional knee-jerk labels used in place of contemplative guided thought.

Categorizations are what humans seem to do to excess which gives much fodder to the denizens of philosophy departments everywhere. What philosophers have done with ideologies is staggering. We can now quantify the nuances of human thought and distill them down to rote tweetable descriptions, none with which any great number of the pointy-heads can actually together agree.

Now all this ideological philosophising is loose in the hate-filled paranoia of an online, realtime, social-media world. And the result, as expected, is the blurring of the lines, misunderstanding, deliberate subterfuge, gnashing of teeth, threats of violence and the fragmenting of society.

Heartwarming in an odd way. This gives us more data points in the evidence of the uselessness of philosophers.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 107 of 139 (888971)
10-27-2021 4:13 PM
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10-27-2021 3:59 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
AZPaul3 writes:

Ideologies are categorizations of similar-like thoughts.


The problem arises when an ideology is used as a reference for answers to all questions. It's like using the Bible to answer all questions. A lot of the answers aren't there.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 108 of 139 (888972)
10-27-2021 4:14 PM
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10-25-2021 2:05 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
We also need to watch out for false prophets who claim that God and Jesus are human-created characters in a book and that one can be a good Christian simply by being an empathetic humanist.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 109 of 139 (888973)
10-27-2021 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Phat
10-27-2021 4:14 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
Phat writes:

We also need to watch out for false prophets

All prophets are false. And that includes those who tell you that gold is a great investment.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 110 of 139 (888975)
10-27-2021 5:53 PM
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10-27-2021 4:14 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
We also need to watch out for false prophets who claim that God and Jesus are real and that life can only be properly lived by obedience to a book.

--Percy


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AZPaul3
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Message 111 of 139 (888976)
10-27-2021 6:00 PM
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10-27-2021 4:14 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
Phat, you're doing it again. You are mixing crazy with ... well, more crazy.

That God and Jesus are human-created characters in a book and that one can be a good Christian simply by being an empathetic humanist are both demonstrable facts. This negates their characterization as coming from false prophets.

The book is indeed a fiction as are its characters. That is known reality from copious evidence. As for empathetic humanist, well, that's the role Jesus played in the book in between scenes of incredible woo-woo majik, so empathetic humanist seems to be the way christians were originally meant to be. Didn't work. Christians turned out to be quite the opposite. Too bad it didn't work.

You can tell real false prophets when they quote bible verses and such.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 112 of 139 (888977)
10-27-2021 6:11 PM
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10-27-2021 4:14 PM


Re: Planetary Defense
Phat writes:

We also need to watch out for false prophets who claim that God and Jesus are human-created characters in a book and that one can be a good Christian simply by being an empathetic humanist.

Jesus was an empathetic humanist. It was Luke and Mark and Matthew and John that were the Primal Apologists marketing what they created. Since them it has all been nothing but carny barkers.

You and most of modern Christianity are simply pathetic GOATS.


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Message 113 of 139 (888994)
10-28-2021 7:03 PM


The Standard Model
Serious science education here.

Most know of the Standard Model and, frankly, most don't care. It works and so here we are.

This is a layman's deep dive into all the different particles, forces, interactions.

Did I mention laymen? Skittish of the math but really yearn to know? Wanna get deep without suffocating in your limitations?

IMHO, this beautifully designed presentation solves these.

Even those who know could come away with an enhanced view of the power of the model because of the groupings by various interactions these graphics show. New ways to look at the mess that is our best model of reality.

Yeah, I know a lot of us know this stuff in detail already but this presentation, imho, gives satisfaction to the need for depth without hitting the wall. It may be helpful.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 114 of 139 (888999)
10-28-2021 10:53 PM
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10-28-2021 7:03 PM


Re: The Standard Model
I just love how you are so smart that you refuse to read books with annotations.

(Leave those notes for the "********")

God, he's awesome


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Message 115 of 139 (889000)
10-28-2021 10:57 PM
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10-28-2021 10:53 PM


Re: The Standard Model
Now I am not allowed to type an adjective with an -ant- suffix (tacked onto ignore)?

Wtf!

This site is just too brilliant.

Great shining lights, indeed.

(All 5 of the majority, of 9 total posters left, will tell you themselves.)

(Lol)

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 116 of 139 (889002)
10-29-2021 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by LamarkNewAge
10-28-2021 10:57 PM


Re: The Standard Model
... of 9 total posters left ...

As long as Percy keeps the sandbox open we're going to come and play. You seem to have joined us. Remember, as with most things internet, stay and play as long as you're having fun.

It's good to have a squeaky toy in the forum. This is fun.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 117 of 139 (889003)
10-29-2021 12:16 AM
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10-29-2021 12:06 AM


Re: The Standard Model
Some of my squeaks are bleeped out.

(I wonder if there are codes I can crack to get my squeaks back).


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Message 118 of 139 (889005)
10-29-2021 12:22 AM
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10-29-2021 12:16 AM


Re: The Standard Model
Some of my squeaks are bleeped out.

We can still read them, if we click "peek". And most evcforum participants know that.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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AZPaul3
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Message 119 of 139 (889006)
10-29-2021 12:25 AM
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10-29-2021 12:16 AM


Re: The Standard Model
I wonder if there are codes I can crack to get my squeaks back

Well, that's Percy-territory. Way above my paygrade.

But, you might ask him for his reasons. He really is a soft and cuddly sort and always has good reasons. Maybe not always to my liking but we can disagree. So can you. Maybe try, again. Could help get the rest of your voice back.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 120 of 139 (889008)
10-29-2021 11:13 AM
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10-28-2021 10:57 PM


Re: The Standard Model
The words "racist", "idiot" and "ignorant" are on your disallowed words list. It must have happened a very long time ago, I can't track down the offending posts. I've cleared your list.

--Percy
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