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marc9000
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Message 62 of 99 (886029)
05-03-2021 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Percy
05-02-2021 5:35 PM


I was so naive when I started this website. I thought intelligent and informed discussion between the two sides was possible in the right environment. All that was proved, to paint it in as positive a light as possible, is the degree of self deception engaged in by the religious.

There has been no intelligent and informed discussion here at all? There have been a lot of religious people who have come and gone here, making the very few who stay around for long periods greatly outnumbered. And that's 100% the fault of the religious?

I thought the Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!! thread was an okay discussion, you didn't? Here are examples of the non-religious reaction to it;

Message 524

Message 651

Message 703

Message 706

You'll notice that most of those messages, and most of those types of messages all over the place here, get approval dots from other members, and aren't flagged or moderated in any way. I hope you understand that intelligent, informed, religious people often have better things to do than engage with this kind of childish, atheist behavior. A huge percentage of the general public would agree with me that global warming atheists didn't do too well in that thread, particularly in dealing with my messages at the very beginning, and the very end.

I understand that this forum is a gathering place for atheists with far left political views, and there's not a thing wrong with that. But it's simply wrong to claim a worldview superiority just because religious people don't post here much.

But I left out the flip side before. Sometimes you're forced to respond because, for example, they publish thinly disguised creationism as a textbook called Of Pandas and People and attempt to introduce it into public school curriculums.

These things equally go both ways, the religious attempts to introduce things into public school curriculums are often only an attempt to counteract militant atheists attempts to introduce their propaganda into school curriculums. It's true that 'religious science' has a lot of gaps. Equally, atheist science has a lot of gaps.

From your earlier message;

They all prove only one thing: most human beings have a need to believe in a power greater than ourselves.

Atheists can be like that too, they worship the earth, they believe in the power of bigger and bigger government. The problem is, considering the structure of the current U.S. society, their big government views are more intrusive to the liberties and lifestyles of others, than are the views of small government religious people.

Edited by Admin, : Fix link in 2nd para.


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marc9000
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Message 68 of 99 (886060)
05-03-2021 7:44 PM
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05-03-2021 11:25 AM


If you have anything of substance, you can depend on it!

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marc9000
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Message 69 of 99 (886073)
05-05-2021 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by PaulK
05-03-2021 8:29 AM


marc9000 writes:

I thought the Climate change thread was an okay discussion, you didn't?

I thought that the lack of intelligent points from your side was a big issue.

A big enough issue so that you think it was not an okay discussion? Would it have been better if my posts had been censored?

Free speech is one of the most basic staples of U.S. society, both when it was founded, and what has led up to what it is today. Now, beginning only in the past few decades, and ramping up drastically in only the past few years, we're seeing an increasing hostility and intolerance towards conservative free speech. For months now, Donald Trump has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, and Snapchat. This forum's longtime poster Faith, was permanently banned, not for breaking forum rules or vulgar language, but for having an opinion on something that administration deemed "dangerous". Rush Limbaugh was widely labeled "the most dangerous man in America" for a long time, and there were several attempts to censure him. Examples like this from recent years go on and on.

But those examples are only liberal attempts against conservative free speech, not the other way around. Most conservatives for example, are more than happy to let Maxine Waters and AOC babble all they want, it exposes who they really are. There were attempts to censure Waters for her obvious incitements of violence, and her racism towards white people, but most would agree that was justified.

You'll notice in Message 24 that it didn't take long for the vulgar language to get going in this thread, in response to a new, non-atheist poster.

The list of liberals who are included on Fox News Channel discussions is long, while the list of conservatives on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, etc. is practically non-existent. I see Rick Santorum is included at CNN, that's about all I can find. None of those networks get anywhere near the way Fox News allows Chris Wallace, a registered Democrat, to have their own one-hour show to do anything they want.

marc9000 writes:

I understand that this forum is a gathering place for atheists with far left political views...

I don’t think there is anybody from the far left here at all.

Yes I know, these kinds of obviously dishonest statements are another of the many reasons why there aren't a wider variety of posters here.

As you know. Some religious people want to get their propaganda into science lessons because they disagree with the science

They don't disagree with the science, they disagree with the atheism.

Meanwhile other religious people are even writing the textbooks for the science courses.

Everyone is religious, atheists have been writing the textbooks for science courses for a long time, because atheism controls science.


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marc9000
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Message 92 of 99 (886123)
05-06-2021 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by jar
05-05-2021 7:51 AM


marc9000 writes:

They don't disagree with the science, they disagree with the atheism.

That is simply not true marc. There is nothing in science that is atheistic.

No there's proof that it is, for anyone with their eyes open. The proof was the scientific community's kneejerk meltdown in 1996 over the "Darwin's Black Box" book. It got plenty of attention in the coming years, not for any interest in the science, but to shout it down and discredit it. The scientific community was completely unified in its anger. Any religious biologist who dared do anything but toe the line knew he'd lose his job if he didn't.

That book was not a threat to AMY religion, only to pure atheism. Their first, and most effective reaction was tie it to the "Wedge Document", as if that document was the sole purpose of Behe's work. They called it "thinly disguised creationism" largely because of that Wedge Document marriage they created with it. When questioned about books like The God Delusion", or the many articles about atheism we see in "The Scientific American" website and magazine, or the love of "science" at the American Atheists website, the constant THINLY DISGUISED ATHEISM in what the scientific community wants to teach in public schools, we always hear "oh that's just those atheist's personal opinions - has nothing to do with the science". Strange how the Wedge Document writers weren't allowed to have personal opinions apparently. The double standards really are glaring.

marc9000 writes:

Everyone is religious, atheists have been writing the textbooks for science courses for a long time, because atheism controls science.

And that too is simply not true marc. Reality controls science.

Again, proven by Behe's demonization. Many people who pay taxes to support science don't believe that all of reality can be jam-packed into re-arrangement processes, the only scientific thing that humans can actually study.


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marc9000
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Message 93 of 99 (886124)
05-06-2021 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Percy
05-06-2021 5:30 PM


Re: Concluding statements
I don't think current creationists recognize defeat so much as that they're just not in the same league as the previous generation of creationists. There were a large number of very active and very effective creationists at the national level twenty years ago. If we were still dealing with the equivalent of Henry Morris, Duane Gish, Michael Behe, William Dembski, Andrew Snelling, John Baumgardner, Kent Hovind, Kurt Wise, Walt Brown and so forth in their prime I think things would be very different.

Creation is defeated now? Because of one judge's decision at Dover? Because of a decrease in creationist posters here? Because of Biden's election?

Morris and Dembski are inactive now, but their many books live on. Some of them in private hands, some of them still in book stores. Hopefully you don't think the government should seize them.


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