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Phat
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Message 110 of 773 (886407)
05-19-2021 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by AZPaul3
05-19-2021 11:31 AM


Yes but in defense of Marc, what gives *you* the high ground? And what makes 50% of us wise and 50% of us foolish?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 111 of 773 (886408)
05-19-2021 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by dwise1
05-19-2021 11:57 AM


M2k writes:
The NY Times is now described as "chief cheerleader for the left". They did not begin that way, and there's still some belief among the public that they're still a legitimate news source. But that belief is fading fast.
What gives you the impression that there are two sets of facts? That there is division? That only some are persecuted?
dwise1 writes:
Except it's not solely because Trump and marc said it (and hence are playing that stupid hypocritical "I'm a victim!" game which is virtually identical to "true Christians'" stupid hypocritical Christian persecution game), but rather because both have such a long history of being so incredibly wrong in every way possible.
What is it that makes Marc 100% wrong when he only uses 50% of the facts to begin with?
AddbyEdit: Maybe you guys would claim that Marc doesnt properly know what a fact is. In which case I'll just keep observing these exchanges....pity if I have to wait 6 months for Marc to engage again, however. I'm likely as close to conservative as anyone else he will find here.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 113 of 773 (886411)
05-19-2021 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Tanypteryx
05-19-2021 2:47 PM


Re: Say What?
I cant believe that Oklahoma Republicans are that callous...or clueless...wait maybe I can.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 148 of 773 (886904)
06-17-2021 11:26 AM


Conservative Supreme Court Rules
Catholic Foster Care Agency May Turn Away Gay Couples.
And I know that the liberals will disagree with this, but I side with the Court on this one.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 152 of 773 (886940)
06-19-2021 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by ringo
06-18-2021 12:24 PM


Re: Conservative Supreme Court Rules
How can you call yourself a "moderate" when you always side with the right-wing nuts?
Not all of the right-wing is nuts. No more than all of the left-wing.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 156 of 773 (886948)
06-20-2021 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Percy
06-19-2021 1:49 PM


Prager U also has some good presentations.
Also Dr.Jordan Peterson.
Conclusion? There are more ways to discuss/debate an issue than the popular leftist narrative.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 157 of 773 (886949)
06-20-2021 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Percy
06-19-2021 1:49 PM


Re: Conservative Supreme Court Rules
Why Homer?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 162 of 773 (886972)
06-22-2021 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Percy
06-22-2021 4:08 PM


Re: Conservative Supreme Court Rules
Yeah, sometimes I put my foot in my mouth! I think I'd rather have a Doh-Nut!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 163 of 773 (886973)
06-22-2021 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by ringo
06-20-2021 9:10 AM


Re: Prager U also has some good presentations.
Jordan has a perfectly rational argument.
Transcript writes:
you know I think the idea of white
00:01
privilege is absolutely reprehensible
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and it's not because white people aren't
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privileged you know we have all sorts of
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privileges and most people have
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privileges of all sorts and you should
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be grateful for your privileges and work
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to deserve them I would say but the the
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idea that you can target an ethnic group
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with a collective crime regardless of
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the specific innocence or guilt of the
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constituent elements of that group there
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is absolutely nothing that's more racist
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then that it's absolutely abhorrent
I totally agree. The only counter-argument that most of you have is..."Well what do you expect? He is a conservative nut".

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 169 of 773 (886983)
06-24-2021 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by ringo
06-23-2021 12:25 PM


Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
ringo writes:
you've shown quite well what an idiot Peterson is.
And it isn't even because he's a "conservative nut". He's a wannabe "conservative thinker".
Interesting.
I suppose that our next step is to showcase what a true conservative thinker would think. And while we are at it, let us compare and contrast what a true liberal thinker might say.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 172 of 773 (887028)
07-01-2021 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by ringo
06-24-2021 12:19 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
ringo writes:
As I have said before, conservatism isn't necessarily evil. It depends on what you want to conserve.
Let me think about this one.
1) I want to conserve low prices. I want to conserve the US Lifestyle in the early 70's before inflation took off and made us just like any other country. All we have left is the dollar...and soon the global reserve status will be lost and all of us Americans will have to work twice as hard and pay twice as much. We don't want that.
2) We thus need to conserve our powerful military. Granted its being a bit of a bully and expansionist empire that got us in trouble....and I'm all for being nice to every other race and people...but can it be done while still preserving our quality of life? If not, we have identified the inevitable problem that Americans must confront. Jon Jost identified this problem in the
Message 1
I don't think we (the people) will let go of our entitled lifestyles that easily. Which will only hurt us more later.
ringo writes:
I have also said before, conservatives tend to think of the nation as a business - the less-productive members have to fall by the wayside; liberals tend to think of the nation as a family - you feed your children whether you can afford it or not.
Liberals go a step farther. They think of the world as a family. Which is easy if they are rich like the majority of EvC is. It's not easy for the blue-collar uneducated working class, however. They would turn to the military and the Politicians for help preserving their diminishing lifestyle. After all, they work hard enough. Why must they get paid less and become the butlers and servents of a rising global middle class that has advantages over them?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 174 of 773 (887033)
07-04-2021 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by ringo
07-02-2021 12:29 PM


In Essence You Support A Meritocracy
Phat writes:
...and soon the global reserve status will be lost...
Good.
Stop and think. You just agreed that we are all family. Think about the hardships you would place on your American family if we were to lose that status.
quote:
All trading nations, goes the argument, have to hold the dollar as the price for doing business in an increasingly integrated dollar-based world economy.
“Even so, the dollar’s share of official foreign-exchange reserves has declined from a little over 70% in 2000 to a little less than 60% today, according to the Bank for International Settlements. That downtrend could gather momentum in the years ahead, especially with the U.S. currently leading the charge in de-globalization and decoupling. With America’s share of reserves well in excess of its share in world GDP and trade, such a correction might well be inevitable in an increasingly fragmented, multi-polar world.”
The natural instinct for a weak dollar is to buy hard assets like gold. However, Roach says those markets are simply too small. They will not be able to absorb the tsunami of dollars looking for a new home.

Phat writes:
We thus need to conserve our powerful military.
What are you going to do with your military?
Keep everybody honest. Not letting them dogpile on the US if we end up suffering.
...but can it be done while still preserving our quality of life?
ringo writes:
As somebody else has been trying to tell you, it is not a zero-sum game. When the bottom of the totem pole benefits, you will benefit too.
Im not going to wait until 3 billion people get a rising tide to bring them up near me before I too resume climbing. What you upper-middle-class liberals do is you elect altruistic idealistic governments and pay taxes as if the government is the secular church. You then feel better about the world. In a way, you support the rest of the world coming up on a rising tide before you allow your own populists to grow their small businesses. You support the educated foreigners taking their spot before helping you own countrymen.
The problem is that we can no longer expect prosperity based only on our strength. We need to work our blessed ASSurences off in order to get it. No fun for the old-timers.
Phat writes:
Liberals go a step farther. They think of the world as a family.
Yes.
Phat writes:
Which is easy if they are rich like the majority of EvC is.
So why do rich people tend to be conservative?
They aren't all conservative. Only the wealthiest of the wealthy tend to lean that way for obvious reasons. They don't want you and your ilk taxing away all their money to raise the tide.
Phat writes:
It's not easy for the blue-collar uneducated working class, however. They would turn to the military and the Politicians for help preserving their diminishing lifestyle.
Again, how? How is an expensive military going to preserve your lifestyle?
Protect me from other rising bullies who want to strip me of my entitlements.
ringo writes:
You should be asking yourself why the rest of the world has to perpetually be your hewers of wood and drawers of water.
in the end, someone has to do it. Unless we get drones to do it...now there's an idea.
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 178 of 773 (887039)
07-04-2021 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by xongsmith
07-04-2021 6:16 AM


Re: In Essence You Support A Meritocracy
Our basic entitlements are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Don't give me any liberal elite globalism...we are NOT ordinary. Dont try and make us so.
ringo writes:
The only "bullies" who threaten your entitlements are the poor who are trying to rise to your level. Are you going to sic the military on them?
Of course not. Although I disagree with this basic statement:
ringo writes:
Why should I favor somebody who is less qualified just because we accidentally happened to be born close to each other?
Because it starts with Nationalism and NOT Globalism. You seem to favor a global meritocracy where people earn their status through education and to hell with our fellow countrymen. Just because the middle clas educated elitists at EvC all happen to be liberal leaning? Just because they have college degrees does not mean supporting globalism over nationalism.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 180 of 773 (887043)
07-05-2021 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by xongsmith
07-05-2021 1:37 AM


Re: In Essence You Support A Meritocracy
But Nationalism is the Epitomy of Stupidity Unchained. It gave us all manner of horrors, more recently Hitler, Musselini, Reagan, Trump and the Republican assholes.
While I agree that Trump was an idiot, keep in mind that the people who elected him were not liberal educated elitists. These people felt forgotten by the US, who through people perhaps like you did in fact favor Globalism as the lesser of two evils. I see globalism as a far bigger threat. Do you really want China having the global reserve currency status that we now enjoy? Do you really want us to shelve our military and embrace the planet? Do you really want the CCP pulling the strings rather than the GOP? Do you really think that Biden, Harris, and Cortez favor Globalism over Nationalism? If so, the hillbillies will be back next election if they can get a candidate that supports their welfare more than some European bug scientist.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 186 of 773 (887053)
07-05-2021 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Tanypteryx
07-05-2021 1:04 PM


Re: In Essence You Support A Meritocracy
Tanypteryx writes:
Tribalism, whether nationalism or religion have doomed humanity and the planet, with America leading the march...
So in other words, being the brave global elitist that you appear to be, America has essentially doomed the planet. And your solution is to support your fellow educated class from the entire planet...the brave new (secular) globalists to lead humanity forward and away from tribalism, mythos, and ignorance. Got it...
But what you do with dragonflies is pretty and likely quite useful. As Nationalism diminishes in the future, the United States will also diminish in scope and influence. She has been abandoned in favor of an entire planet being our collective humanist starship.
I fear that it is a mistake, but keep in mind I believe that Jesus is likely coming back once we humans trash our ecosystem and are at each other's throats. And I also believe in a major economic correction....whereby the blue-collar working class will demand we use the military to keep competitors like China and its hungry billions from dominating the shrinking global food stocks. I know....sounds like a bad movie! I'm praying to be more loving and understanding, but I'm not ready to abandon the arsenal of democracy in favor of kum ba yah...have you hugged your planet today? Main reason being that I don't believe in humanism as the final solution.
How meritocracy harms everyone — even the winners
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We typically think of meritocracy as a system that rewards the best and brightest. For Markovits, it is merely “a pretense, constructed to rationalize an unjust distribution of advantage.” Here’s a clarifying stat: At two Ivy League schools that Markovits surveyed, “the share of students from households in the top quintile of the income distribution exceeds the share from the bottom two quintiles combined by a ratio of about three and a half to one.” The point: Meritocracy is a mechanism for transferring wealth from one generation to the next. Call that what you want, but you can’t call it fair or impartial.
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