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Phat
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Message 281 of 773 (887549)
08-09-2021 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by nwr
08-08-2021 3:11 PM


Only God will Ever Control Me(and even then He won't)
I'm not lying but I will be honest, even if it exposes me as (how you put it) one of those shameless liars.
Its all quite simple really. The conservatives are guilty of greed. They champion freedom (including freedom to make as much money as possible) and some of them are shameless. They got Trump to give them the tax cut, just as they have done with politicians for many years. The Dems, on the other hand, are morality cops and control police. They would advocate control and power for the good of all, but in reality they are simply guilty of desiring total control. And I wont put up with that.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 282 of 773 (887550)
08-09-2021 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by nwr
08-08-2021 9:23 AM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
What would be wrong with people working together regardless of skin color?
Because both sides will never agree on who should be in control.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 285 of 773 (887554)
08-09-2021 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by nwr
08-09-2021 4:16 PM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
Ideally and ideologically you are right. Its just that I don't trust human nature as much as you do.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 296 of 773 (887613)
08-14-2021 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by dwise1
08-14-2021 3:52 PM


Re: You might even learn something.
This encapsulates the whole Source versus Content argument that jar and ringo keep trying to get me to accept. Atheists and secular humanists by and large believe that there is no source apart from humanity itself and that anything we write, adopt, and follow comes from within us. I disagree with this conclusion.
I wouldnt go so far as to say that the Bible is worthless were Jesus no more than a myth but quite frankly I believe that if Jesus never existed, nothing would exist and no life would even be. The bottom line is that humans need God. They need a source of love, wisdom, and truth higher than what we collectively conceive and believe internally.
When I rant and go off on issues of selfishness, entitlement, and possessiveness, I am simply showing my base human nature. Perhaps it is not the best witness.
You can make academic cases for humanism being the default reality, but I don't believe it. I won't (and cant) argue otherwise nor defend my defense of Source over Content.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 299 of 773 (887641)
08-16-2021 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by AZPaul3
08-12-2021 9:55 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
AZ writes:
It's official. The darkies are taking over.
Yep. And that's a good thing if saner minds prevail in leadership.
We are about to become a nation of minorities.
The grand melting pot. Bring it.
Next year's election will be fun watching the scaremongers whip the Republicans into an immigration (racist) frenzy as the nazis alt-Reich crowd march into ethnic neighborhoods.
Sadly this will likely happen. If only they realized that they will not be treated as badly as they treated the ones soon to be in power. That's why the whole topic of reparations won't ever work. Vilifying "white" people is not the right approach. For one thing, it's impossible to calculate who owes who what....both locally and globally. I welcome sane and semi-conservative leadership. This whole BLM and "woke" nonsense is a liberal's wet dream...not anything sane or productive.
AZ writes:
We have each other. No gods required.
. Exactly. All Matter. All have the same value. There should never be a scapegoat group of outliers anymore.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 302 of 773 (887657)
08-18-2021 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by Tanypteryx
08-17-2021 12:44 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
For a dragonfly scientist you sure sometimes Bugme.
BlackLivesMatter.Com writes:
#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.
We are expansive. We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.
We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers on those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.
We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.
We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.
The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.(...)TalkAbout Trayvon: A Toolkit for White People
Five years ago, a teenage boy went out for a snack but never made it home to his loving family. A grown man took it upon himself to patrol his neighborhood and to shoot dead an unarmed, unassuming boy. Not only did a mother have to bury her young son, but she now watches his killer walk the streets free— free to brag about killing Trayvon, and free to commit more acts of violence. We need to #TalkAboutTrayvon because, five years later, there are still no consequences when adults wave their guns around at Black and Brown kids. Police continue to mistreat, terrorize, and even murder boys and girls of color, and then walk free. We need to #TalkAboutTrayvon, share pictures of his sweet face, and remind each other what we continue to lose when we uphold a system that won’t punish people who kill Black children and adults. We are not only losing wonderful people—we are losing our humanity. White communities are used to consciously and unconsciously maintaining the racist policies and practices that led to Trayvon’s death—and, as white people, we must speak out against those policies and practices. When we remain silent and on the sidelines, we are complicit in maintaining these unjust systems. Our work is to get more white people who support us to take action toward racial justice—and to change the hearts and minds of those white people who are not yet with us.
When we #TalkAboutTrayvon, we tell grieving parents that we see them and acknowledge their pain. When we #TalkAboutTrayvon, we tell Black children that we are not afraid of them—we are only afraid they won’t get the bright future they deserve.
My problem with BLM is that they take it upon themselves to rectify moral issues by targeting an entire group--white people. So why don't I trust "them"?
Why Reparations?
Reparations are owed, in forms and manners, to be determined by Black people in the U.S.It’s on us to raise our voices and demand action immediately.
If each and every ethnic group or nation/state(such as the Kurds, the Croatians, the American Indians, etc etc) that has been unfairly treated were to demand reparations, the logistics of quantifying such an issue and of holding people accountable would be nearly impossible to sort out. BLM seeks only compensation for Black people. The seeming target? White people. This is exclusivist and could in no fair way ever be resolved.
Edited by Phat, : spelling

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 305 of 773 (887662)
08-18-2021 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by jar
08-18-2021 2:57 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
So in other words, you label me guilty because I never addressed the issues. My ONLY issue that I have brought up is reparations, and I maintain that it is an unenforceable issue for the reasons that I gave.
I am not a racist. I am interested only in issues of fairness (particularly pertaining to Phat).
I do, however, have some friends whom I consider prejudiced towards right-wing answers regarding what they perceive as left-wing power groups. Perhaps they have influenced my thinking on these matters.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 18388
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 306 of 773 (887663)
08-18-2021 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by nwr
08-18-2021 2:08 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
If you feel targeted, maybe that's your guilty conscience.
I'm not going to allow a liberal group to dictate what I owe and to whom I owe it to. That's my line in the sand.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 318 of 773 (887697)
08-20-2021 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by dwise1
08-20-2021 2:40 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
You do present a good point. I'll have to think about the implications. I'm not against helping Black people or any minority. I'm simply against agendas that will negatively affect me. Can't we all just get along?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 323 of 773 (887737)
08-21-2021 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by ringo
08-21-2021 12:37 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Well if you can convince me that I won't end up closer to being as poor as the ones I am trying to help (as you feel no shame in being) then I'll drop this argument for good.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 324 of 773 (887738)
08-21-2021 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by Percy
08-21-2021 12:17 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Are you suggesting that the Republican Party is a White Supremacist party? While we could well label some blatant favoritism among them, the label is far from appropriate in general. Just because a man wants the freedom (unhindered by excessive government regulation and taxation) into earning a living in no way paints him/her as a racist.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 347 of 773 (889466)
11-28-2021 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by AZPaul3
08-18-2021 4:34 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
It will be interesting as to the response you bleeding hearts give to the situation of unabashed and out-of-control looting and shoplifting in San Francisco. It appears to me that all races are involved and it looks to me as if it stems from blatant lawlessness. We need bigger prisons.
DailyMail writes:
San Francisco's notoriously woke District Attorney Chesa Boudin says his office has filed criminal charges against nine people involved in Friday's brazen organized theft of a Louis Vuitton store - with more arrests to come.
The progressive top prosecutor has come under enormous pressure in recent days following a spate of viral videos which show organized groups of thieves ransacking and looting designer stores in the San Francisco Bay Area.
Boudin told reporters during a news conference in San Francisco on Tuesday that the suspects will be charged with crimes including looting, grand theft, burglary, possession of stolen property, firearm possession, commercial burglary.
Two of those arrested were found to be in possession of firearms, according to the district attorney.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 351 of 773 (889474)
11-29-2021 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 350 by nwr
11-28-2021 5:25 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
nwr writes:
Honestly Phat, I don't understand the point of this.
What happened there is not close to what people normally mean by "shoplifting". By misrepresenting it as shoplifting, you only damage your own argument and destroy what little credibility you have left.
My credibility can only be preserved through honesty. Lawlessness annoys me. Even worse it scares me. I realize that what happened there is not ordinary shoplifting. It is a mob mentality in action. As for the charge that they claimed to be Christians, that is irrelevant. It is not what one claims but what one does. You guys even taught me that!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 352 of 773 (889475)
11-29-2021 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by AZPaul3
11-28-2021 4:41 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
I suppose you imagine that atheists would never do such a thing! The behavior of a group is a behavior unto itself. The makeup of the individuals present is irrelevant.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 354 of 773 (889479)
11-29-2021 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by jar
11-28-2021 3:49 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
jar writes:
Think Phat.
What exactly do you see?
Im not sure that I understand.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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