Sara, Sara, Sara! Lets move on. I know that some of us come to EvC simply to vent, but the best way to stay out of the Troll Club is to give the members some respect. And start a new conversation rather than analyzing an old one to death!
So let's go global. Who Are the Global Villains? Conservatives or Liberals?
And how about that little war in Europe! I see Putin as an autocrat and an authoritarian. Im not sure but I think he is mostly Conservative. He yearns for the old Soviet Union. I also think he sees the future of the world and he sees an endgame. And he does not want to be on the sidelines watching. Comments?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
In fact, I am ignorant about many substantive things. Everybody is.
I believe that in the near future we will have a black swan event. For the West, it will be financial. Being a liberal, do you even see it or is it hidden from your perception?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
If we had diverted only a small percentage of what we spent in utterly stupid wars since WWII (including the stupid War on Drugs and War on Terror) into productive foreign aid; roads, health care, infrastructure; we and the whole world would have benefited.
True. But then again, you are optimistic about humanism succeeding on this planet and hope that we can all get along for sure.
I suppose I shouldn't argue. The Biblical Christians await a rescuer rather than rolling up their sleeves and pitching in. I get nervous when there is no clear leader.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
So YOU know what, where, when the point of no return is? What happens when we get there?
By then it will be too late. We are approaching it rapidly.
Percy writes:
Naturally liberals and conservatives disagree, but no one on either side is trying to infringe upon the other's free speech rights.
Hear, hear! Im all in favor of free speech. I still think you are wrong about the US Dollar and the way repayment of the "debt" appears so logical. It is a Black Swan Event. We are at 1 minute to midnite. This little spat in Europe will accelerate and expose the weaknesses in the Western financial system.
Since its a long video, I will suggest listening at 7:30. Adam Baretta explains the likely scenario quite well.
If you think you are wasting time, I will attempt to explain further in my own words and through the transcript but until you hear what I listen to, you cant advise me why my thinking is wrong and why yours is correct. The Western economy and the US dollar are fragile.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
So I take it that aside from rolling up your sleeves you see no value in prayer except as a recited ritual in the church.
All jabberwocky aside, I'm again trying to convince everyone that we all are in deep doo and this war in Europe won't help the United States and the delusional Fed from kicking the can down the road any longer. Our day of reckoning is at hand.
Putin, for all of his megalomaniacal worldview, expects Russians to get used to suffering in order to make them tougher. He (likely correctly) predicts that the United States and the West won't adapt to suffering easily. Would you agree that he is an authoritarian despot? Do you think that he sees the reality of the future of the planet better than most Western people? After all, we are still arguing about global warming over here. He is attempting to seize the Ukrainian breadbasket in anticipation of the tough times ahead.
Personally, I think that you think we have more time than we actually do to fix our broken system.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
I am guessing that you think you have reality all figured out.
We can keep talking as we live through reality together!
One reality exposed in the video is the fact that the human brain cannot process a Black Swan event. Until it happens.
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
Remember jars argument favoring content over source? The content is sound. You are attempting to discredit the source without having heard the argument.
And no, I'm not that gullible. But I think you are wrong about the Fed having more tools to fight inflation. We have backed ourselves into our own financial corner.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
You guys have no clue, in my opinion. Time will tell. Remember these arguments and rather than being made fun of for listening to "conmen gold dealers" you will hopefully give me some respect.
Answer these questions. 1) If Gold is a barbarous relic, why do all central banks not only maintain large amounts but are in fact buying more? China and Russia and India and many other countries also maintain large reserves.
The fact is, Gold competes directly with the US Dollar. Were I to place my faith on the stability (long-term) of either asset, I would choose gold and imagine that most of you would not.
2) The Federal Reserve "created" 11 trillion dollars with the stroke of a pen. In 1970, when Nixon decoupled Gold from the Dollar (Due largely to the fact that countries were demanding payment in Gold rather than Dollars...itself a clue) Gold rose from $35.00 an ounce to over $800.00. It is in the interests of the Federal Reserve that Gold be kept in its cage rather than allowing the global market to determine its value.
You guys may think that everyone I listen to is a conman, but I have yet to see anyone with better arguments. Percy tried.
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
No one in Venezuela gave a flying fuck about gold when their economy collapsed and they were worried about food and water to survive one more day. They were bartering for food and services, not gold.
Not all Venezualians had gold, to begin with. For that matter, a small percentage of Americans own gold. (12%) This does not mean that nobody cares about gold as a stable means of exchange. In Venezuela, people were shaving chips off of gold *in the mining towns) to pay for food, a haircut, or any other exchange needed.
Venezuela still had a functioning economy. Ukraine, for instance, does not.
I am answering your questions now. Give me a few minutes.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
No one in Venezuela gave a flying fuck about gold when their economy collapsed and they were worried about food and water to survive one more day. They were bartering for food and services, not gold.
quote:To fathom the magnitude of Venezuela’s financial collapse, travel southeast from Caracas, past the oil fields and over the Orinoco River, and head deep into the savanna that blankets one of the remotest corners of the country.
There, in the barber shops and restaurants and hotels that constitute the main strip of one dusty little outpost after another, you’ll find prices displayed in grams of gold.
I am working on your questions. Give me a few minutes.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
There is no similarity between what is happening in Venezuela and gold as an investment vehicle.
Gold is not an investment. It is an anchor. A default store of "value". This is why Central Banks own it. It is a default "reset button".
my article (found at a different spot from yours though essentially the same article) writes:
Jorge Pena, 20, figured that eighth came to three small flakes -- the equivalent of $5.
Now let me ask you a few questions. In the article, Jorge (who lived in a mining town) paid in chips of gold. The barber calculated the chips as being "worth $5.00".
So tell me. Does the US Dollar support the price (and value) of commodity investments such as Gold? Or is Gold, though decoupled from most fiat currencies, still the basic standard? I have an answer but would be interested to hear yours.
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
So again...answer my question. Why do Central Banks continue to own gold? And if you look into it, some central banks have been buying gold recently.
All that Putin has left to control is the gold that Russia has. But I disagree with you guys. Gold is still the final fallback value for the world....not the US Dollar nor any other currency.
You may argue that there is a basket of currencies that function as the global reserve currency. Currently, the US dollar is the primary one.
What is interesting is that the Fed defines their own value of those gold holdings.
Gold is NOT a standard, it is a commodity and like diamonds a commodity that has an artificial price value that is based ALMOST ENTIRELY on the fact that it's availability is artificially controlled.
The Fed can no more control the price value of gold than they can the US Dollar.
Finally answer me this. Why is the accepted value of gold (worldwide) based on dollars?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
The final fallback value is what you can DO in exchange for food. You can help somebody grow food, for example - which is how civilization began.
In retrospect, I can't argue with you. Even though they say that money makes the world go around, and even though precious metals may preserve your value of what little or lot that you DO have, it wont do much good in a famine. Preppers take note.
Helping someone grow food is noble. I wont help anyone make alcohol, however...though if my reset/depression theory comes true, lots of you will need some...since you don't believe Jesus exists!
But you will tell me again and again and again that I dont do what He says, so im not following that Rabbit Trail any longer.
Cheers
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
I may be wrong, but I don't think Phat wants to answer my questions...
Oh I Do! I just have not had time recently...but I have them typed out on Word Pad and will make a note to answer them tonite when I get off work. It's only fair.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
You do realize precious metals fluctuate in value and do not always increase in value, don't you?
Of course! And mark my words....they will be valuable n this next global reset/depression. They are countercyclical insurance. Dont tell me you don't see the Ice Burg.
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
Lets move on. I know that some of us come to EvC simply to vent, but the best way to stay out of the Troll Club is to give the members some respect. And start a new conversation rather than analyzing an old one to death!
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