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Message 614 of 773 (892506)
03-08-2022 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 613 by Phat
03-08-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Stirring The Stew
One reality exposed in the video is the fact that the human brain cannot process a Black Swan event. Until it happens.
Yeah, you might want to remind the science fiction writers that imagination is off limits then.
I am guessing that you think you have reality all figured out.
Well, your guesses about my thoughts do not reflect reality.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 625 of 773 (892530)
03-09-2022 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 623 by Theodoric
03-08-2022 9:01 PM


Re: Gold
It seems like the only place you see gold being useful when financial system collapse is in apocalypse movies.
When financial systems collapse it seems more likely that people will barter for useful commodities. Money or gold is only a way to keep track of goods and services as they flow through a society. They are just placeholders, not resources.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 628 of 773 (892536)
03-09-2022 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 626 by Theodoric
03-09-2022 12:37 PM


Re: Gold
The only reason I can see to have gold in a situation like that is that there will still be gold bugs that would trade useful things for gold.
Gold is an interesting element. It is the most malleable metal and also the best non-superconducting electrical conductor. It sucks as a monetary standard.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 630 of 773 (892538)
03-09-2022 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by xongsmith
03-09-2022 4:42 PM


Re: Gold
and, as i noted above, it makes for a great reflective surface in the IR spectrum and has other applications on spacecraft.
Yeah, those are great uses for it, but those just take a smidge.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 632 of 773 (892544)
03-09-2022 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by jar
03-09-2022 7:28 PM


Re: Gold
Oh, and corrosion resistant too.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 634 of 773 (892551)
03-09-2022 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by Phat
03-09-2022 8:01 PM


Re: R E S P E C T
1) If Gold is a barbarous relic, why do all central banks not only maintain large amounts but are in fact buying more? China and Russia and India and many other countries also maintain large reserves.
Ask yourself who is selling and why?
Countries and banks use it as a physical place holder for large transactions between themselves. Two parties agree to a specific price for say a ton of guns and they both agree to a specific amount of gold at the price of gold at that specific moment and strike a bargain. They want something physically real to trade for something else that's physically real.
Gold is only useful as a monetary unit in a functioning economy. When an economy crashes gold isn't worth crap for individual needs. Supply lines fail and goods and services that aid personal survival are what has value.
No one in Venezuela gave a flying fuck about gold when their economy collapsed and they were worrying about food and water to survive one more day. They were bartering for food and services, not gold.
Here's a couple questions for you.
1. What do you think the sequence of events would be if the economic calamity you fear happens?
1a. What are the banks going to do with their gold?
1b. What are countries going to do with their gold?
2. What are you going to do with your gold? Say you have a quarter sized piece of gold, what are you going to go with it?
And do you realize that the price is entirely artificial because those gold bullion hording entities keep it squirreled away from the economies? If it was all flowing through the planet's economies it wouldn't be worth squat.
ABE: I thought of this driving home from work.
Why don't you ever think of the rise in the price of gold as inflation?
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 647 of 773 (892578)
03-10-2022 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 645 by jar
03-10-2022 12:42 PM


Re: R E S P E C T
Plus the International Gold Reserves are valued at about $43.00 an ounce.
So, the spot price today is $1997.20.
After Phat's apocalypse, I wonder if he thinks he can buy $1997 worth of goods with a 1 ounce gold coin?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 650 of 773 (892584)
03-10-2022 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 649 by jar
03-10-2022 6:08 PM


Re: the post-apocalyptic world
I am in the process of decluttering.
I invested in some rare books and inherited several exquisite antique cameras with red leather bellows. I have a mint condition [i]National Geographic[/qs] with the first published holograph on the cover, that may never be worth any real money but a neat item for Antique Road Show 2122. I have a cool brass compass that my grandfather gave me when I was about 10, that he carried in the Spanish American War and I also have the 30-40 Krag that was his service weapon.
And I also have some gold I bought many years ago with a dentist friend. We were going to investment cast it into a chess set for each of us, but he passed away before we could get it finished. It's still in a lockbox with some old coins and stamps my grandmother gave me.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 653 of 773 (892595)
03-10-2022 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 652 by AZPaul3
03-10-2022 9:05 PM


Re: Silver
Hey, wasn't there a James Bond plot, something about making gold radioactive?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 655 of 773 (892598)
03-10-2022 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 654 by AZPaul3
03-10-2022 10:14 PM


Re: Silver
Maybe, I never watched it.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 666 of 773 (892645)
03-11-2022 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 637 by Phat
03-10-2022 9:38 AM


Re: R E S P E C T
I am working on your questions. Give me a few minutes.
OK, no rush.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 667 of 773 (892646)
03-11-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 648 by Taq
03-10-2022 6:04 PM


Re: R E S P E C T
Taq writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
After Phat's apocalypse, I wonder if he thinks he can buy $1997 worth of goods with a 1 ounce gold coin?
I am willing to bet I could buy more food with a fifth of whisk(e)y in the post-apocalyptic world than Phat could with a pound of gold. May have to start my own stockpile.
Or set up a still and give your product a seductive name like Moonshine.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 670 of 773 (892651)
03-11-2022 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 668 by Theodoric
03-11-2022 11:00 AM


Re: R E S P E C T
I have a still!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 672 of 773 (892656)
03-11-2022 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 671 by dwise1
03-11-2022 1:42 PM


Re: R E S P E C T
I hope you know how to keep methanol out of the mix (usually the first vapors boiled off, as I understand it).
Yep, the temperature of the vapor actually changes as each fraction boils off. I had a still in high school, made apricot brandy.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 676 of 773 (892682)
03-12-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 669 by Theodoric
03-11-2022 11:01 AM


Re: R E S P E C T
Minutes turn into hours and hours into days.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Phat wants to answer my questions...

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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