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Message 341 of 773 (888139)
09-05-2021 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by jar
09-05-2021 7:29 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Leaving Mossadegh in power would have been a good idea, too.

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Message 375 of 773 (889512)
12-02-2021 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 372 by Phat
12-02-2021 10:30 AM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
Phat, you’ve let your blood sugar get out of control again, haven’t you?
At this rate you’ll be dead in a few years - if you manage that long.

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Message 429 of 773 (889571)
12-05-2021 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by marc9000
12-04-2021 10:33 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
I realise that Ashlii Babbit was a hero to you because she was trying to destroy the Constitution, but that doesn’t mean that her death wasn’t justified. And I’m not surprised you’d hate a patriotic American for doing his duty.

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Message 445 of 773 (889594)
12-06-2021 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 440 by marc9000
12-05-2021 5:30 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
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You're welcome, even I'm surprised that little truth bomb caused a full seven posters to fly into a rage in only about 12 hours. I think that's a record even for me.
I suppose you mean “truth bomb” to be a bomb that destroys the truth? And it’s funny how you equate telling the truth with rage.
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She was breaking and entering, breaking the law, no different than countless thousands of rioters were in several different cities all across the U.S. in 2020, and before.
Really? How many of them were about violently overturning an election? In how many were the lives of the legislators at risk?
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It wasn't a private residence or private business where a burgler can very well expect to get shot, it was a public place where a disciplined security force was expected to be.
It was a secured area. She was at the head of a violent mob. Unlike George Floyd who was already restrained and alone. How exactly were the security force meant to stop her and the mob without using firearms?
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What she didn't have was a weapon, that's enough for there to be questions, an investigation, a trial. It would have been easy enough to acquit Byrd.
What makes you think that there wasn’t an investigation? What makes you think there should have been a trial? There are plenty of police shootings that don’t lead to trials.
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He was undoubtedly scared, he was the victim of a lack of support, of sloppy Capitol security. But did his training justify his shooting into a crowd?
Shooting into a crowd? The way I heard it Babbitt was the first one through - the “crowd” were still the other side of the door.
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Maybe shooting into a crowd of white people didn't bother him too much. In reading about him, I see he's very proud, claimed he "saved a lot of lives". He's a hero to many, there seems to always be celebrations when a black kills a white, and pays no price for it. (O.J. Simpson, one example)
At least we know for sure that you’re a racist - and probably a White Supremacist.
Edited by PaulK, : Fix autocorrect “correction”

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Message 450 of 773 (889602)
12-06-2021 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Tanypteryx
12-06-2021 3:50 PM


I’ve thought of him as “Marc of the Beast” for YEARS.

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Message 460 of 773 (889614)
12-08-2021 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:36 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
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It doesn't destroy the truth to point out facts, like Michael Byrd is black, is still alive, not lynched
And nobody got even mildly annoyed at that.
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Since I'm hated here, and this guy is on your "side", you don't see that as rage I guess. But I don't have pigs, and never get near farms
Yawn. And I suppose you expect us to believe that every response was likely that. Cherry-picking only proves your dishonesty.
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I don't know what was in their minds, but breaking into one building hardly can be twisted into an attempt to "overturn an election".
That was the point of breaking into the building. The building where the legislators were certifying the election results. As even you must know.
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In Seattle, the lives of anyone near that courthouse or police station were at risk
And from what I remember the police had a lot to do with that. But nice try at creating a false equivalence.
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You should ask Percy that one, he doesn't believe police should have guns. Maybe a bigger security force, manpower, tear gas, there are many other ways, especially if few, or none of the mob was armed. If they displayed arms, then yes, shoot them. Babbitt didn't display arms.
So you insist that there were reasonable alternatives but you can’t think of any. It’s not exactly like the George Floyd case where the cop could have stopped kneeling on his neck and used approved restraint techniques instead.
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The fact that I've never heard of it, combined with the fact that no one here has linked me to the details and results of it
So you haven’t bothered to look. But since it would be routine it’s hardly likely that there was no investigation - and Wikipedia mentions it.
Here’s the DoJ statement
It explains why there was no trial.
Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution
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And there are plenty that do, especially when the shooter is white and the shootee is black. This was a high profile, unusual case, that got a lot of public attention.
I think you’ll find that there are quite a lot that don’t end in trials. The “high profile” cases are generally those that are pretty shocking.
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A lot of people would have liked answers.
Then I guess you ought to blame your news sources for neglecting to inform you. You seem to know less about it than everyone here.
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And you heard it wrong. Everyone was on the other side of the door. She was targeted, he took careful aim at her BEFORE she went through the door. She never made it through the door.
So I “heard it wrong” because my description was far more accurate than yours.
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And at least we know that when you can't address a point, you resort to name calling.
Since your “point” was just speculation and smears, while I stated an obvious fact I don’t think you have any claim on the moral high ground.

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Message 469 of 773 (889623)
12-09-2021 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 466 by Percy
12-09-2021 7:45 AM


Unfairness
I think you’re being unfair to Sheldon.

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Message 492 of 773 (889669)
12-11-2021 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by marc9000
12-10-2021 9:37 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
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Seven posters did, yourself included. My Message 423 You were so annoyed that you said I "destroyed the truth".
That’s a lie. Nobody - except you, perhaps - was at all upset that Michael Byrd was still alive. Derek Chauvin is still alive, too.
Here’s the entirety of my reply to your message:
I realise that Ashlii Babbit was a hero to you because she was trying to destroy the Constitution, but that doesn’t mean that her death wasn’t justified. And I’m not surprised you’d hate a patriotic American for doing his duty.
Which, of course anyone can see if they follow the links.
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Any time I refer to one specific thing, I'm "cherry picking"? Strange how gangs work together so well, yet you immediately distance yourself from one of your helpers blunders.
If you intentionally choose the most extreme examples and try to pass them off as representative of course you are cherry-picking.
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I don't know what their point was.
Obviously the point was to prevent the certification of the election. That’s what Trump was encouraging them to do.
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Maybe an inability to control themselves over illegal voting, ballot harvesting, hostility towards Republicans at polling places etc
Which is really odd when - so far as anyone can tell - none of those things happened to any great extent. And there are plenty of worse things done by the Republican side.
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Riot compared to a riot, a "false equivalence"?
Riot compared to insurrection - with an imminent threat to the legislators. So yes, a false equivalence.
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I can think of several. Mainly, rather than hiding and hoping for a chance to kill a honky, the policeman could have gotten out in the open, stood a safe distance away, 20 or 30 feet, then made sure the crowd knew that when they COMPLETELY (not almost completely) crossed that window, they'd get shot. He had at least 8 shots in that gun, and most of the mob probably would have known that.
I don’t think we can count on the violent mob behaving rationally, because if they were they wouldn’t have been smashing their way into a secured area in the first place. I don’t see that Byrd could have assumed that none of the rioters had guns either.
Letting the rioters through the door seems a pretty obvious mistake - giving up the defensive advantage of the choke point. So, I don’t think your option is sensible.
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Okay, I'll concede that point. Looked like a pretty quickie investigation though.
It seems a pretty clear case of justified homicide - especially compared to some. Daniel Pantaleo was never charged for killing Eric Garner either.

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Message 495 of 773 (889735)
12-12-2021 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by Phat
12-12-2021 1:15 PM


Re: Consensus and the role of Goverment
A question Phat. How can anyone who lived through the ‘70s think there’s an inflation crisis now?
I’ll add that the increasing need for qualifications is not that new. Even well-paid jobs going to India is not that new (I had a job - with a U.S. company - sent to India more than 10 years ago, so I’m in a position to know).
I’ll also note that your spending priorities put you very much on the “liberal” side. The “conservatives” - and even actual conservatives - very much want to trim that spending. Faith was openly complaining about it, if you remember.

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Message 506 of 773 (889963)
12-18-2021 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 504 by LamarkNewAge
12-18-2021 12:32 AM


Re: Is marriage a good thing?
Seems to have a lot more to do with the US health system than it has to do with marriage.

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