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Phat
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Message 241 of 342 (887270)
07-29-2021 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by ringo
07-26-2021 12:25 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
I'm not mocking...I'm simply tryna be funny. But you are right in that if an Endtimes scenario were to play out in any degree, food would be far more valuable than Gold. But Gold and Silver will go a lot farther than any BitCoin, Paper Currency, or coinage from any country.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 242 of 342 (887285)
07-29-2021 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Phat
07-29-2021 2:18 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Phat writes:

I'm not mocking...


You're constantly mocking the very idea of giving to the poor.

Phat writes:

... if an Endtimes scenario were to play out in any degree...


"To some degree" it's happening every day.

Phat writes:

But Gold and Silver will go a lot farther than any BitCoin, Paper Currency, or coinage from any country.


Don't bet on it. There will always be some people who are dumb enough to trade their food away for gold but evolution will weed them out.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 243 of 342 (887428)
08-03-2021 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Phat
07-12-2021 10:34 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Thinking that "transcends nationalism" is not an easy thing to come by. Socialism ("Workers of the world unite!") was no match for forces like those that tore apart the USSR. Even religion can't compete (unless it means leaving nations in ruins, like the islamists of the Taliban or Boko Haram): just look at President Biden proclaiming himself a Catholic while turning up his nose at their pro-life dogma.

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Message 244 of 342 (887429)
08-03-2021 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by ringo
07-12-2021 12:10 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Oh, I quite agree, we should strive for a society where the ambulance comes for those who are sick or injured, the food is there for those who are down on their luck and the people screaming at their demons in the public square are taken to institutions for medical care rather than penal incarceration or, worse, simply allowed to keep screaming because it is one of their "civil rights" to do so. I'm sure you can think of many other such examples.

But somehow our society manages to combine the worst of "liberal" and "conservative" thinking on issues like these.


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Phat
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Message 245 of 342 (887432)
08-03-2021 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by ringo
07-12-2021 12:18 PM


Re: In Essence You Support A Meritocracy
ringo writes:

n a democracy, the government is US. It isn't some mysterious entity forcing us to be decent human beings. It's US.

And my point is that we cant take a message from a Holy Man in a book, adopt it as our own creed, and make it mandatory for each one of us to follow.
2 Corinthians 9:6-8 writes:

But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.

Jesus told the Rich Young Ruler what he must do (what he should purpose in his heart) but never made him do it.

Paul reminds us of the same charge. The Creator of all seen and unseen loves when you purpose in your heart to do His will, but He never forces us to do it...He simply informs us of what should be primary in our heart.

Edited by Phat, : spelling


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 246 of 342 (887433)
08-03-2021 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by ringo
07-29-2021 12:25 PM


Protecting your Ass(ets)
There will always be some people who are dumb enough to trade their food away for gold but evolution will weed them out.
I never suggested trading food for gold. I DO suggest that at this point in time it would be wise to trade some of your paper dollars, stocks, bonds, and fiat assets in exchange for gold and silver. This will preserve your wealth as the next great reset(correction) plays out globally.

And before you go off, I'.m not suggesting hoarding wealth. The more you preserve what you have (or had) the more you can hand out spare change later rather than being among the beggars yourself.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 247 of 342 (887436)
08-03-2021 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Sarah Bellum
08-03-2021 8:07 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sarah Bellum writes:

But somehow our society manages to combine the worst of "liberal" and "conservative" thinking on issues like these.


In a democracy, it's the pendulum swinging back and forth between liberal and conservative that often prevents anything from being done - or repeatedly undoes whatever was done.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 248 of 342 (887437)
08-03-2021 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Phat
08-03-2021 9:05 AM


Re: In Essence You Support A Meritocracy
Phat writes:

And my point is that we cant take a message from a Holy Man in a book, adopt it as our own creed, and make it mandatory for each one of us to follow.


Stop saying "mandatory". I have never, repeat never, suggested that "we" should make anything mandatory. I have told you that many times. Stop ignoring it.

It's Jesus who makes it mandatory - for you.

Phat writes:

Jesus told the Rich Young Ruler what he must do (what he should purpose in his heart) but never made him do it.


The story implies that the rich young ruler wasn't "saved" - i.e. didn't go to heaven.

Phat writes:

The Creator of all seen and unseen loves when you purpose in your heart to do His will, but He never forces us to do it...


But He does impose consequences.

Phat writes:

... He simply informs us of what should be primary in our heart.


And He informs us of the consequences of not doing what we are told.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 249 of 342 (887438)
08-03-2021 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Phat
08-03-2021 9:11 AM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
Phat writes:

I never suggested trading food for gold.


I didn't say you did. I was pointing out how stupid it is to value gold above all else. As people keep telling you, it's just another medium of exchange.

Phat writes:

I'.m not suggesting hoarding wealth.


It doesn't matter because I don't have any wealth.

Phat writes:

The more you preserve what you have (or had) the more you can hand out spare change later....


So I should tell the hungry person I'll feed him in a few years when more interest has accrued? What a stupid thing to suggest.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 250 of 342 (887449)
08-04-2021 7:53 AM
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08-03-2021 12:27 PM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
So I should tell the hungry person I'll feed him in a few years when more interest has accrued? What a stupid thing to suggest.
No. You use wisdom with what little (or lot) of assets you have.Feed them as you feed yourself but dont give them everything at once. You are at or nearly at full retirement age. Do you really plan on giving up all you have and throw yourself at the mercy of the Canadian Government? Is it not wise to invest in a financial insurance policy? Because that's essentially what Gold and Silver are. Having a modest savings account that gains zero interest and gets whittled down year after year as inflation rises is foolish.

I will once again state that silver bullion is about the best investment value on the planet for the next 5-10 years, and that may be all the time we have left. Teach a man to fish rather than giving all of your fish away and being as broke as the ones you were trying to help.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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nwr
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Message 251 of 342 (887451)
08-04-2021 9:58 AM
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08-04-2021 7:53 AM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
Is it not wise to invest in a financial insurance policy?

Of course, that's wise. But not by buying into gold and silver.

Because that's essentially what Gold and Silver are.

No, they aren't. If anything, they are scams run by some rich people to suck money out of fools like Phat. And it seems to be working -- for those rich scammers. As PT Barnum allegedly said, "there's a sucker born every minute."

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Phat
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Message 252 of 342 (887452)
08-04-2021 10:19 AM
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08-04-2021 9:58 AM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
You guys are wrong about this one. Time will tell for certain, however.
I say silver will be above 35.00oz within the next year and will top 40.00 oz by the end of Biden's first term.

Besides...if "they" are scams, why do the Central Banks own so much gold and why would it be in their interests to keep the market price low? Their product, the dollar, is losing value at 5% per year.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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nwr
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Message 253 of 342 (887454)
08-04-2021 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by Phat
08-04-2021 10:19 AM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
You guys are wrong about this one.

Here's a question for you -- actually, several questions:

(1) Who is selling you this silver?

(2) Who is giving you the advice on buying silver? Is it the same person as the seller?

(3) If the advice to buy silver is good, why is he selling it? Shouldn't he be holding onto it so that its value will increase.

I'm suggesting that the people who are selling silver to you are not following their own advice. Shouldn't that be troubling?


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 254 of 342 (887465)
08-04-2021 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by nwr
08-04-2021 10:59 AM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
Thanks for asking me these questions, nwr. I always like being challenged...even when I don't like it!

1) Who is selling you this silver?
Bernie at Rocky Mountain Coin. He never pushes it though. I already knew what I wanted when I met him.

(2) Who is giving you the advice on buying silver? Is it the same person as the seller?
No. I give Bernie advice if anything. He and I know what he makes off me and the contractual relationship is honest.

(3) If the advice to buy silver is good, why is he selling it? Shouldn't he be holding onto it so that its value will increase?
For every ounce he sells, he makes at least $9.00....more for rare coins. He also buys it from people at spot price. He claims to own some himself but that's his business. I listen to different people on YouTube. Though always skeptical, I feel that their advice and perspective is not a con.

I'm suggesting that the people who are selling silver to you are not following their own advice. Shouldn't that be troubling?
To the best of my knowledge, they all also own silver.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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nwr
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Message 255 of 342 (887466)
08-04-2021 1:59 PM
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08-04-2021 1:50 PM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
To the best of my knowledge, they all also own silver.

The fact remains, that they have apparently decided that they can make more money by selling silver than by owning it.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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