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Tanypteryx
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Message 271 of 342 (887520)
08-07-2021 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
08-07-2021 3:18 PM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
Phat writes:

Government should not be in the business of playing favorites.

You mean it should continue playing the whites as favorites.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 272 of 342 (887521)
08-08-2021 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Tanypteryx
08-07-2021 3:46 PM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
You seem to suggest an either/or paradigm. Either the whites (as a culture club) stay "in power" or by decree affirmative action quotas need to be mandatorily implemented.

Is this in fact what you are saying?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Percy
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Message 273 of 342 (887522)
08-08-2021 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Phat
08-07-2021 2:25 PM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
Why the abrupt change in tone and content?

Where are the dire warnings to get into metals quick before our investments turn to dust? Why, suddenly, out of the blue, are you a diversified investor only dabbling in metals with a small portion of your funds? Why isn't your diversified S&P portfolio going to go poof along with ours when the dollar is replaced as a global currency? What happened to the concerns about market manipulation? Why, if the bulk of your funds are in traditional securities, aren't you targeting your investment funds at companies situated to benefit from the coming crisis you believe is imminent.

Something's fishy. I think you just woke up today and decided to try to put on a rational face. Who knows what the reality is.

--Percy


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nwr
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Message 274 of 342 (887523)
08-08-2021 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Phat
08-08-2021 6:44 AM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
Either the whites (as a culture club) stay "in power" or by decree affirmative action quotas need to be mandatorily implemented.

Why are you seeing everything as black vs. white? What would be wrong with people working together regardless of skin color?

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Tanypteryx
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Message 275 of 342 (887524)
08-08-2021 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Phat
08-08-2021 6:44 AM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
Phat writes:

You seem to suggest an either/or paradigm.

Yes, either we end systemic racism or it will destroy us.

Either the whites (as a culture club) stay "in power" or by decree affirmative action quotas need to be mandatorily implemented.

Is this in fact what you are saying?

Nope. You sound like a white supremist.

I'm saying we have to end systemic racism.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Phat
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Message 276 of 342 (887525)
08-08-2021 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Tanypteryx
08-08-2021 10:48 AM


Talking Past Each Other
You and I appear to be talking past each other.

I said: Government should not be in the business of playing favorites.
You replied:

quote:
either we end systemic racism or it will destroy us.

Thus we both have a valid statement, right? Or should government discriminate?

nwr writes:

Why are you seeing everything as black vs. white? What would be wrong with people working together regardless of skin color?

I'm not the one who brought up the issue of color.
Tanypteryx writes:

You mean it (government)should continue playing the whites as favorites.

Marc9000 is a conservative and favors freedom over equality. He sees equality as mandatory ordained government meddling.
The other side of the coin sees mandatory equality as an antidote to white privilege. I am somewhat in the middle and as of yet am still deciding which side if any I should support.

I am not in favor of the government acting like a secular church and mandating moral actions especially if they involve my money. We can negotiate on taxes, as we always have done.

Edited by Phat, : punctuation spacing


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 277 of 342 (887526)
08-08-2021 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Percy
08-08-2021 8:34 AM


Re: Protecting your Ass(ets)
Percy writes:

Why isn't your diversified S&P portfolio going to go poof along with ours when the dollar is replaced as a global currency?

I expect my diversified portfolio to take a 30-40% hit, along with yours. The experts recommend a diversified portfolio that contains between 5 and 10% precious metals. I am listening to them. Were it left up to my inner monkey, I would invest 100% in the metals, but I am being rational.

Percy writes:

Why, if the bulk of your funds are in traditional securities, aren't you targeting your investment funds at companies situated to benefit from the coming crisis you believe is imminent.

I am beginning to examine such companies. (as stock investments)

Here are some of them:

quote:
♦5. Coeur Mining Inc (NYSE:CDE) ($10.25)
♦4. Hecla Mining Co (NYSE:HL) ($8.83)
♦3. SSR Mining, Inc. (NASDAQ:SSRM)
♦2. Pan American Silver Corp (NASDAQ: PAAS)
1. Wheaton Precious (NYSE: WPM)

12. Alexco Resource Corp. (NYSE: AXU)
Alexco is a Canadian silver company that owns the majority of the historic high-grade Keno Hill Silver District. Keno Hill has over 100 million ounces of silver.
11. Almaden Minerals (NYSE: AAU)
Blue Gas:
♦Plug Power Inc. (NASDAQ: PLUG)
Ballard Power Systems Inc. (TSX: BLDP

Also...
♦Rio Tinto Group (RIO)
B2 Gold (BTG)
NovaGold (NG)
♦Barrick Gold (GOLD)
Franco Nevada (FNV)
Yamana Gold (AUY)
Royal Gold (RGLD)
♦Metalla Royalty & Streamlining Ltd. (MTA)
Caliber Mining (Toronto: CXB) (OTC: CXBMF)



Percy writes:

Something's fishy. I think you just woke up today and decided to try to put on a rational face. Who knows what the reality is.


I changed gears only to bring us back closer to being on topic.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Tanypteryx
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Message 278 of 342 (887527)
08-08-2021 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Phat
08-08-2021 1:46 PM


Re: Talking Past Each Other
Phat writes:

ou and I appear to be talking past each other.
I said: Government should not be in the business of playing favorites.
You replied:

quote:
either we end systemic racism or it will destroy us.

Thus we both have a valid statement, right? Or should government discriminate?

Good grief!!!!!!!! I am saying the government has to stop discriminating against non-whites.

Marc9000 is a conservative and favors freedom over equality. He sees equality as mandatory ordained government meddling.
The other side of the coin sees mandatory equality as an antidote to white privilege. I am somewhat in the middle and as of yet am still deciding which side if any I should support.

That's because he's a racist. There is not a single point of view I share with him. I have nothing but contempt for him.

Phat writes:

I'm not the one who brought up the issue of color.

You brought up being apposed to reparations. I assumed you meant for the descendants of slaves.

I am not in favor of the government acting like a secular church and mandating moral actions especially if they involve my money. We can negotiate on taxes, as we always have done.

Since 1981 there have been no negotiations on taxes, the fucking republicans have cut all the taxes on the wealthy and large corporations and shifted the burden to the poor and middle class and then gave FUCKING TRILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS TO THOSE SAME COMPANIES calling them "Tax Refunds". You cannot call it a refund if you didn't pay anything to begin with.

You are fine with all THAT fucking money coming out of your pocket.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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ringo
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Message 279 of 342 (887528)
08-08-2021 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Phat
08-08-2021 1:46 PM


Re: Talking Past Each Other
Phat writes:

Government should not be in the business of playing favorites.


Suppose Daddy is walking along with his two children. The older one can walk as fast as Daddy but the younger one has trouble keeping up. Doesn't it seem rational/humane to hold back the faster one to let the slower one catch up?

Phat writes:

Marc9000 is a conservative and favors freedom over equality.


Freedom to be unequal? Freedom to enslave the less equal?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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nwr
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Message 280 of 342 (887529)
08-08-2021 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Phat
08-08-2021 1:46 PM


Re: Talking Past Each Other
You and I appear to be talking past each other.

I am seeing this as thoroughly dishonest.

I'll present it as I see it:

Here's the version according to Phat

quote:
I [Phat] said: Government should not be in the business of playing favorites.
You [Tanypteryx] replied:
quote:
either we end systemic racism or it will destroy us.

And here's the actual version that I get from reading the thread:

quote:
Phat said: You seem to suggest an either/or paradigm. Either the whites (as a culture club) stay "in power" or by decree affirmative action quotas need to be mandatorily implemented.

And that's what Tanypteryx was actually replying to.

You have completely misrepresented the discussion. I don't know why. Perhaps you wanted to make yourself look good. But it didn't work out that way. You come out of it looking like a shameless sleazy liar.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 281 of 342 (887549)
08-09-2021 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by nwr
08-08-2021 3:11 PM


Only God will Ever Control Me(and even then He won't)
I'm not lying but I will be honest, even if it exposes me as (how you put it) one of those shameless liars.

Its all quite simple really. The conservatives are guilty of greed. They champion freedom (including freedom to make as much money as possible) and some of them are shameless. They got Trump to give them the tax cut, just as they have done with politicians for many years. The Dems, on the other hand, are morality cops and control police. They would advocate control and power for the good of all, but in reality they are simply guilty of desiring total control. And I wont put up with that.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 282 of 342 (887550)
08-09-2021 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by nwr
08-08-2021 9:23 AM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
What would be wrong with people working together regardless of skin color?
Because both sides will never agree on who should be in control.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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nwr
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Message 283 of 342 (887551)
08-09-2021 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Phat
08-09-2021 4:03 PM


Re: Only God will Ever Control Me(and even then He won't)
The Dems, on the other hand, are morality cops and control police.

This is a mis-reading. Most Dems are "live and let live" people.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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nwr
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Message 284 of 342 (887552)
08-09-2021 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Phat
08-09-2021 4:07 PM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
Because both sides will never agree on who should be in control.

The whole point of working together, is that you don't need somebody to be in control.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Phat
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Message 285 of 342 (887554)
08-09-2021 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by nwr
08-09-2021 4:16 PM


Re: Back On Topic If At All Possible
Ideally and ideologically you are right. Its just that I don't trust human nature as much as you do.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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