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Percy
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Message 511 of 585 (889987)
12-19-2021 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 507 by marc9000
12-18-2021 4:56 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
marc9000 writes:

It's probably safe to say that I'm the most hated poster at EvC of all time, far more than Faith or Buzzsaw.

It's good to see that your megalomania is doing well.

You've made comments in the past about Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, so you sometimes must be slightly curious about what they have to say.

I checked in on them a few times a year or two ago, but not since. It's not necessary to watch them because Fox News writes "news" stories about much of what they say that appear in the Google News aggregator.

But they sometimes have to stop short of saying just what 40 to 45% of Americans think, or their advertisers would leave them in droves, after the furious outrage that would be poured on by the mainstream media and Democrat commentators.

You talk frequently about outrage and anger and hate. If it's anything like the outrage and anger and hate you keep talking about in this thread then it's fictional.

I can say things like "black supremacy". Blunt, yes, but it's honest and descriptive.

And racist.

It only gets me insults and called names, but that's all. What I say really IS what a significant percentage of Americans think. You must ever-so-slightly appreciate my presence, or you'd have banned me by now.

You're so consequential around here that the administrators have daily marathon meetings about what to do about you. I'm making that up, of course. It isn't the nature of one's opinions that makes one a bad citizen here but the way in which one participates. You're fine. Your views are distasteful and provocative and an illustration of why the country is traveling so dismal a path concerning race, but you haven't severely crossed any Forum Guidelines lines yet. If it's important to your sense of self to believe you're engaged in a high risk game of suspension brinksmanship then go right ahead, but your concern is misplaced. Administrators cannot moderate in threads they're participating in.

There was a virulent racist here around 2004, can't remember his alias. If you can find his posts perhaps you can learn how to get suspended.

Views not arrived at by reason cannot be countered by reason and should not be treated seriously. Mockery, disdain, scorn and ridicule are more appropriate responses to the determinedly irrational.

Did you learn this from collegiate debating guidelines? Or did you and Dr Jones come up with that on your own?

It's Jefferson, it's famous: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."

I guess it's just politics, but I'm a little surprised that you, and the mainstream media, has the nerve to finger point about "divisiveness".

There has been no more divisive political figure in American politics than Trump since perhaps Andrew Jackson. He made no secret that he was president for only some of the people, not all of the county.

Ask any Republican whether Biden won the election fairly and the most likely response is a bunch of hogwash.

Yes, comparable to 'Trump-Russian-collusion lies, that were all over the mainstream media 4 / 5 years ago. Proven wrong by a 2 year investigation. Too bad all the Covid fear inspiring absentee voting, illegal influx, ballot harvesting won't get anywhere near a 2 year investigation.

Good example of just the kind of hogwash I was talking about.

I feel these ideas should be challenged in the most compelling ways possible.

You said it best in another thread not long ago, Message 61

quote:
But many times an important point is at stake, and at other times the stupid is just too precious to resist, and so we eagerly reply despite knowing it will go nowhere, and we excuse our behavior by telling ourselves it's for the lurkers or for posterity or just for the principle of truth and honesty. So even though the stupid persists unabated, we feel better.

Yes, still a good description of why we reply to claims so obviously absurd that they need no response.

I find the mainstream media to be as much milquetoasts as the president, for example, gently chiding the Republican party for its highly effective efforts at voter disenfranchisement.

Considering the recent massive illegal immigration, and Covid fears of voting in person, the word fraud is much more appropriate than "disenfranchisement".

I referred to Republican efforts on voting as disenfranchisement, but you seem to be saying it would be better to say they're defrauding voters? Well, yes, I guess that's true, but I think the term disenfranchisement is more accurate.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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Message 512 of 585 (889988)
12-19-2021 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by Percy
12-19-2021 12:53 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
You keep saying hogwash when I think you really mean BULLSHIT!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 513 of 585 (889989)
12-19-2021 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by marc9000
12-18-2021 7:43 PM


Re: A Prime Example of Racism
marc9000 writes:

I'll start with some quotes from Michelle Obama.

I think I know how Michele Obama feels in that ice cream story. As a male in a grocery store I sometimes feel invisible to some females, like I don't exist.

So what did he [Thomas Sowell] do about those racial barriers? He shrugged them off, he accepted reality as it is, and did the best he could with what he had.

I can see you yearn for the good old days when blacks knew their place.

The conditions you're describing are a result of poverty, lack of opportunity, poor education, etc. Whites and blacks fall into poverty for many of the same reasons, the main difference being that blacks have the additional disadvantage of being the objects of racist discrimination by people like you. Your hate deprives minorities of opportunity which in turn forces them into lifestyles you find distasteful, and then you hate them for living in ways that your hate drove them into. Nice work!

I wonder if there will ever come a time when the majority of blacks ever start looking at themselves for their problems instead of blaming whites from generations ago.

Racism wasn't just generations ago. Racism is now. You're an example.

It's true that 1950 was long after the civil war, and the racial barriers Sowell very briefly referred to were a problem, but steady progress has been made, so many 70 year old racial barriers are now long gone.

Yes, a lot of racists like you are saying, "Enough with the racial progress already."

Logical indications are that it's not so much about race, it's more about using race as an advantage to give the Democrat party more and more power, by painting all references by conservatives to liberty and limited government with the very broad racism brush. A Lyndon B. Johnson quote comes to mind;

quote:
I'll have those n**gers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.

TOP 25 QUOTES BY LYNDON B. JOHNSON (of 400) | A-Z Quotes

It's figures you'd find a made-up quote. See FACT CHECK: Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'?.

I can only assume from your avatar that you're white. The problem that you have is that you probably believe that blacks adore you and support you because you're on their "side".

This is a very weird thing to say. I try, though probably don't succeed, to keep all personal information private except the state where I live.

Their actions and attitudes show me that they don't - you're just a useful tool to them, and until they don't need you anymore, or until you finally wake up and realize that black supremacy is what they seek, and it doesn't include you or anything to do with you. My references above to Michelle Obama make it perfectly clear - they're NEVER satisfied with the gains they get, never.

Evidently you're a racist and a scaremonger and a paranoid. My thinking doesn't parallel yours in any way.

Making exceptions to your "if they're black they lack" rule doesn't mean you're not a racist.

Why did you put "if they're black they lack" in quotations as if I said it, which I didn't?

The phrase had to be set off somehow, which is often done with quotes - would you have preferred italics?

The exceptions (my Sowell reference) show that I go by the content of their character, not necessarily the color of their skin.

You're a terrible judge of character. You like Sowell not because of his character but his politics.

Roughly 90% of them vote for the same party that enslaved them 160 years ago.

Slavery in the United States predates 160 years ago (1861), it predates the Democrats (1828), and it even predates the Constitution (1787).

A significant percentage of them [blacks] don't pay much attention to the content of character, they only see the color of skin. Like Michelle Obama, and I'm sure, her husband. Their hatred of whites was probably a large part of their courtship, and subsequent marriage.

Thank you for this further expression of your prejudice and hate.

It isn't the statistics from American Renaissance I distrust but any reasoning attached to them.

Any reasoning? The 69% out-of-wedlock percentage versus 28% can't possibly be considered as one of many reasons for societal deterioration?

Yes, exactly, that's precisely the kind of racist reasoning that leads me to distrust racist tracts like American Renaissance. Out of wedlock births have been rising across almost all races for almost a century. The black number began from a higher base.

That's only one example, there are countless others, black supremacy doesn't allow a lot of relevant things to be discussed.

There's a black supremacist movement? Who knew! Such attitudes are as false and dangerous as white supremacy.

It was the same with my pointing out that Capitol policeman Byrd is black, black supremacy / political correctness / Democrat talking points want a lot of things forgotten about - covered up.

I think you don't know what a coverup is, and the rest of it is made-up nonsense

It's the reason there was so much anger here when I pointed it out.

I think it was more repugnance we were feeling, not anger.

marc9000 writes:

..the descriptions I got seemed to imply that Barney Fife got scared and accidentally fired his one bullet into a crowd, the poor dear.

You're making things up again.

They were MY VIEWS, they were the descriptions I got. The accusation "made up" doesn't apply.

You're not making sense. You referred to "the descriptions I got" (not "MY VIEWS"), and I called them made up. In Byrd you just saw yet another black to cast your racist views at.

You often step so far outside reality that I'm beginning to wonder, perhaps what you think is outrage is just people rolling their eyes.

That's what I love about this place, I could say the earth is round and the grass is green and school buses are yellow, and I'd get called a racist for it. Goes along with my most hated status here.

You're lying again. No one called you racist for innocuous statements. If you'd confined your statements to the color of grass and school buses no one would have any idea you're racist, but you didn't. Instead you've gone on a lengthy campaign to justify your racism. To you your racism is okay because blacks commit too much crime and have too many out-of-wedlock births and live in too much squalor. To you this excuses your attitudes and behavior that keep blacks locked in as second class citizens.

About dwise1's description of Ted Lieu's account, I can't see why you think some of the information you quoted came from Ted Lieu and some came from dwise1. Everything dwise1 said came from Ted Lieu, none from dwise1. Dwise1 only presented it. The writing is pretty clear, I really can't help you resolve your confusion.

When Smollett reported his faked attack, it was sensationalized.

That it would be sensationalized was likely a large part of Smollett's motivation.

Yeah, well, sorry about any attacks and name calling, but doesn't that happen a lot to liars and racists?

Not to black ones.

More racism.

It was your people the congresspeople were hiding from.

They were not my people,...

Of course they're your people. You all believe most of the same things, and they especially share your racism.

The answer to each of those questions is yes, and our allies around the world were probably wondering why not one of those things were properly ENFORCED. Leading to the last one, an unarmed person being shot.

There's a House investigation into this now that includes why the capitol was so poorly defended.

And with the non-reporting of black racism, and other black supremacy, white anxiety and fear of blacks is also understandable.

We're all aware of the ease with which you concoct excuses for your racism.

--Percy


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Message 514 of 585 (889994)
12-20-2021 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 507 by marc9000
12-18-2021 4:56 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
marc9000 writes:

It's probably safe to say that I'm the most hated poster at EvC of all time, far more than Faith or Buzzsaw.


I always liked Faith. She reminded me of a girl I once knew whose real name was Faith. And I always liked Buzsaw too, although I never knew any girls named Buzsaw. (I have known a few who might as well have been buzz-saws.)

You? You're not even the biggest idiot around here.

You're more of a standup comedian: "But seriously, folks, Trump did a good job..." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
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Message 515 of 585 (889999)
12-20-2021 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 513 by Percy
12-19-2021 3:00 PM


Re: A Prime Example of Racism
I think I know how Michele Obama feels in that ice cream story. As a male in a grocery store I sometimes feel invisible to some females, like I don't exist.

Sure, it's not uncommon, happens a lot to a lot of people. It was quite a stretch for her to make it about race. Almost like she's a racist.

marc9000 writes:

So what did he [Thomas Sowell] do about those racial barriers? He shrugged them off, he accepted reality as it is, and did the best he could with what he had.

I can see you yearn for the good old days when blacks knew their place.

What I was pointing out was that, most blacks, (and so many white race-hustlers who try to exploit them) constantly lament about how tough they had it when they were growing up, and use that as an excuse for their rioting and dependence on handouts. Very few blacks can claim they had a tougher time growing up than Sowell did. He made it work without rioting and handouts in the 1950's. They should all be able to make it work today, without all the accusations about how unfairly they've been treated historically.

Yes, a lot of racists like you are saying, "Enough with the racial progress already."

Exactly right. With all their current special rights that I pointed out earlier, it's clear they achieved 100% equality decades ago. But their demands for more and more special rights never stop.

It's figures you'd find a made-up quote. See FACT CHECK: Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'?.

From your link;

quote:
There’s no question that Lyndon Johnson, despite championing the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and signing it into law, was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private. For example, he reportedly referred to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the “nigger bill” in more than one private phone conversation with Senate colleagues. And he reportedly said upon appointing African-American judge Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, “Son, when I appoint a nigger to the court, I want everyone to know he’s a nigger.”

So do you automatically hand wave away the fact that he "was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private."? So because Snopes couldn't find any clear evidence for it, it couldn't have happened once in a private conversation? Considering Johnson's nature, it's easier to believe it did happen than it didn't.

Johnson made Trump look like a choir boy.

The phrase had to be set off somehow, which is often done with quotes - would you have preferred italics?

Neither, it was a straw man phrase.

There's a black supremacist movement?

Yes, it's called Black Lives Matter. (BLM) A phoney name in many ways, more accurately it should be called Black Supremacy Matters. (BSM)

You're lying again. No one called you racist for innocuous statements. If you'd confined your statements to the color of grass and school buses no one would have any idea you're racist, but you didn't. Instead you've gone on a lengthy campaign to justify your racism. To you your racism is okay because blacks commit too much crime and have too many out-of-wedlock births and live in too much squalor. To you this excuses your attitudes and behavior that keep blacks locked in as second class citizens.

And too many special rights that I've already pointed out, the minority contracts, the racial quotas, special holidays, special television stations, the list goes on and on. The problem that you have is that you confuse the terms "racism" with what I and millions of others often have, resentment. If so many blacks weren't so arrogant and 'in-your-face' with their demands, what you term "racism" would be far less pronounced in the U.S. So what you perceive as racism is actually brought about by those who promote monuments to the likes of George Floyd, the demands and riots of organizations like BLM, etc.

About dwise1's description of Ted Lieu's account, I can't see why you think some of the information you quoted came from Ted Lieu and some came from dwise1.

Because some of dwise1's "information" was about how the networks covered it, about how Fox News cut to commercials to hide something. Those claims were not part of Ted Lieu's account.

Of course they're your people. You all believe most of the same things, and they especially share your racism.

The beliefs I share with them had / have nothing to do with race. Biden is white - the election dispute wasn't about race. They're not my people because I didn't ACT OUT the way they did. They didn't represent me in their actions. If that doesn't clear it up for you, then Smollett is your person. He hates Trump / Republicans - you hate Trump / Republicans. You didn't stage a fake attack like he did, but apparently that's irrelevant to you.

We're all aware of the ease with which you concoct excuses for your racism.

Merry Christman to you and everyone at EvC, including Dr. Jones, God love him. I'm done here for awhile.


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Message 516 of 585 (890000)
12-20-2021 10:06 PM


George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Nope.

He did just that in the 1982 governor's race.

(I have no clue what this has to do we with anything)

(My roommate, who loves western movies, just showed me who John Wayne was. I never saw him on t.v. before. I knew he was a right wing government guy, who had propaganda films. Just researched his career a bit, and came across a little on Wallace)


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Message 517 of 585 (890001)
12-21-2021 3:05 AM
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12-20-2021 10:06 PM


Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
I always liked John Wayne movies, though he was a tad too conservative for me. I never stray left of the middle, though.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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Message 518 of 585 (890004)
12-21-2021 11:09 AM
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12-21-2021 3:05 AM


Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes:

I always liked John Wayne movies, though he was a tad too conservative for me.


He wasn't too conservative for me. I didn't agree with him on many things but I could respect his views. He wasn't as rabid as you and the modern "Republicans". In his movies, he was often sympathetic to Indians and Mexicans before it was fashionable.

Phat writes:

I never stray left of the middle, though.


Your left hand is the one with the big "L" on it. I don't think you've ever seen it.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 519 of 585 (890007)
12-21-2021 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 515 by marc9000
12-20-2021 9:12 PM


Re: A Prime Example of Racism
marc9000 writes:

I think I know how Michele Obama feels in that ice cream story. As a male in a grocery store I sometimes feel invisible to some females, like I don't exist.

Sure, it's not uncommon, happens a lot to a lot of people. It was quite a stretch for her to make it about race. Almost like she's a racist.

But it *was* about race, just as how I'm sometimes treated in the grocery store is about gender. It's pretty common for people to be able to tell when they're being treated differently. Treating people differently because of the color of their skin is racism, and being aware that you're being treated differently because of the color of your skin is definitely not racism.

marc9000 writes:

So what did he [Thomas Sowell] do about those racial barriers? He shrugged them off, he accepted reality as it is, and did the best he could with what he had.

I can see you yearn for the good old days when blacks knew their place.

What I was pointing out was that, most blacks, (and so many white race-hustlers who try to exploit them) constantly lament about how tough they had it when they were growing up, and use that as an excuse for their rioting and dependence on handouts. Very few blacks can claim they had a tougher time growing up than Sowell did. He made it work without rioting and handouts in the 1950's. They should all be able to make it work today, without all the accusations about how unfairly they've been treated historically.

Yes, I know, you racists want blacks to stop being so uppity and to just accept the lot in life that racists have assigned them and make the best they can of it. If it was good enough for Sowell then it should be good enough for them.

Yes, a lot of racists like you are saying, "Enough with the racial progress already."

Exactly right. With all their current special rights that I pointed out earlier, it's clear they achieved 100% equality decades ago. But their demands for more and more special rights never stop.

But aren't blacks more equal than whites since they get pulled over more often, denied housing more often, arrested more often, tied up in the court system more often, imprisoned more often?

It's figures you'd find a made-up quote. See FACT CHECK: Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'?.

From your link;

quote:
There’s no question that Lyndon Johnson, despite championing the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and signing it into law, was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private. For example, he reportedly referred to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the “nigger bill” in more than one private phone conversation with Senate colleagues. And he reportedly said upon appointing African-American judge Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, “Son, when I appoint a nigger to the court, I want everyone to know he’s a nigger.”

So do you automatically hand wave away the fact that he "was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private."? So because Snopes couldn't find any clear evidence for it, it couldn't have happened once in a private conversation? Considering Johnson's nature, it's easier to believe it did happen than it didn't.

I didn't argue for or against Lyndon Johnson. I just pointed out that you used a fake quote to support your false arguments about Democrats and race.

The phrase had to be set off somehow, which is often done with quotes - would you have preferred italics?

Neither, it was a straw man phrase.

You don't deny being a racist, so "If they're black they lack" is a pretty concise statement of the way you think.

There's a black supremacist movement?

Yes, it's called Black Lives Matter. (BLM)

That would be incorrect. There *are* black supremacist organizations, which was news to me, but BLM isn't one of them.

A phoney name in many ways, more accurately it should be called Black Supremacy Matters. (BSM)

Ironic that someone like you can't spell "phony".

And too many special rights that I've already pointed out, the minority contracts, the racial quotas, special holidays, special television stations, the list goes on and on. The problem that you have is that you confuse the terms "racism" with what I and millions of others often have, resentment. If so many blacks weren't so arrogant and 'in-your-face' with their demands, what you term "racism" would be far less pronounced in the U.S. So what you perceive as racism is actually brought about by those who promote monuments to the likes of George Floyd, the demands and riots of organizations like BLM, etc.

Yes, I know, you've said this before. You wish blacks would just stop intruding upon white prerogatives and sensibilities, as in the days of Jim Crowe. "We're the bright young men who wanna go back to 1910, we're Barry's boys. We're the kids with a cause, yes a government like grandmama's, we're Barry's boys." (from Barry's Boys by the Chad Mitchell Trio).

About dwise1's description of Ted Lieu's account, I can't see why you think some of the information you quoted came from Ted Lieu and some came from dwise1.

Because some of dwise1's "information" was about how the networks covered it, about how Fox News cut to commercials to hide something. Those claims were not part of Ted Lieu's account.

Of course they were part of Ted Lieu's account. I don't see why you're having so much trouble understanding simple English. Lieu recounted how all the TV's in the green room were tuned to different channels covering the impeachment proceedings and that when video of the insurrection was shown all the stations would show it except one: Fox News. They'd either cut to commentators or to a commercial.

I don't get why this is so difficult for you to understand. Dwise1 wrote in pretty plain English.

Of course they're your people. You all believe most of the same things, and they especially share your racism.

The beliefs I share with them had / have nothing to do with race.

Well that's nonsense, because one of the attitudes you definitely share with them is racism.

Biden is white - the election dispute wasn't about race.

Many of the arguments Trump lawyers made in court were about race, because they often targeted black districts for their false charges of voter fraud.

They're not my people because I didn't ACT OUT the way they did. They didn't represent me in their actions.

No one accused you of supporting insurrection, but your views are pretty much the same ones as the insurrectionists concerning the election and race, and you do support the insurrectionist-in-chief. Had you been at the capitol that day the odds are pretty good that you would have walked into the building after it was breached and wandered around the rotunda taking selfies.

The insurrectionists are your people

If that doesn't clear it up for you, then Smollett is your person. He hates Trump / Republicans - you hate Trump / Republicans. You didn't stage a fake attack like he did, but apparently that's irrelevant to you.

I don't deal with life through a veil of hate like you do. This doesn't capture my views at all.

I'm done here for awhile.

Another lie. Prove me wrong.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo.


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Message 520 of 585 (890016)
12-21-2021 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by Percy
12-21-2021 11:31 AM


Re: A Prime Example of Racism
Percy responds again to our resident Racist:
What I was pointing out was that, most blacks, (and so many white race-hustlers who try to exploit them) constantly lament about how tough they had it when they were growing up, and use that as an excuse for their rioting and dependence on handouts. Very few blacks can claim they had a tougher time growing up than Sowell did. He made it work without rioting and handouts in the 1950's. They should all be able to make it work today, without all the accusations about how unfairly they've been treated historically.

Yes, I know, you racists want blacks to stop being so uppity and to just accept the lot in life that racists have assigned them and make the best they can of it. If it was good enough for Sowell then it should be good enough for them.

We can imagine/know how Marc feels about Reparations That Are Still Due (concurrent with ones also still due to the original tribes living here).

Marc, until you have lived in a black man's shoes your spoutings here are just shit. Since you cannot live in a black man's shoes, you should just save as much as whatever face you still have left and STFU.

I am trying to find anything good you have said on EvC and cannot. You are a sad little man.

My apologies to Percy for intruding into his demolition of Marc.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 521 of 585 (890018)
12-21-2021 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by ringo
12-21-2021 11:09 AM


Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
You said John Wayne was not rabid?

(You said Republicans are "rabid", today, right? Liz Cheney comes to mind, but Republicans are actually putting up a fight for free-speech, and it is not just against fascism, but there is a fight for free speech - waged by Republicans - which seems to be a fight for avaliable platforms, for those with dissenting views, even before taking on the existential threat from criminalizers/fascists like Cheney)

John Wayne worked for Joe McCarthy, and Wayne blacklisted actors, infact it was his job for 5 years to be dictator of movie storyline's before approval. Call it "cancel culture" before the show could go on to be produced & cancelled.

John Wayne was an admitted white supremacist, and he attacked the education level of black Americans. Remember, most blacks opposed the Vietnam war, and Dr King was critical of far more than the single Vietnam War.

You can rest assured that John Wayne would have attacked the Biden pullout of Afghanistan and with racist accusations that implicated genuine liberals (white supremacist "liberals" attacked Biden too) and minority communities.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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Message 522 of 585 (890021)
12-21-2021 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 521 by LamarkNewAge
12-21-2021 8:12 PM


Re: Fascism
LNA keeps his BS meter running:
You said John Wayne was not rabid?

No, Ringo said

"He wasn't as rabid as you and the modern "Republicans".
with the operative word being "AS". Sort of on a scale, LNA.

Republicans are actually putting up a fight for free-speech

If squawking shit nonsense and delusional fantasies that endanger the public are considered "free speech", then you may have a point. But they're not.

the existential threat from criminalizers/fascists like Cheney

Are you talking about her dad? then maybe I'd begin to agree, but I think you are talking about one of the most beaming heroes of the old Republican party, Liz Cheney - who is calling out the Repugnants on their shit lies, which is plain to see for everyone but Fox News and the insurrectionists that are still encamped in the Big Trump Lie.

On the John Wayne stuff I'd mostly agree with your characterizations, but this:

John Wayne would have attacked the Biden pullout of Afghanistan
is purely your own bullshit. Yes, John may have gone along with the rabid right wingers and blamed Biden. But it was Trump that fucked us over real good with that one and Biden managed to extricate the armed forces with an astonishingly LOW casualty count. You really ate up the Fox News slimey shit with that big mouth of yours, didn't you? Man, how do you even function? Walk? Use a computer? Read?-wait, I know that answer.

I hope you aren't old enough to drive.

Edited by xongsmith, : Fix title


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 523 of 585 (890022)
12-21-2021 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 522 by xongsmith
12-21-2021 9:35 PM


Re: Fascism
What the Fxxx are you talking about?

(I will just respond to you last part, which seemed to disagree with me saying Wayne was a white supremacist who opposed "helpful" U.S. troops being pulled from the foreign occupation zones - often an entire country, like Vietnam and - like - Afghanistan)

You said Trump did something (like) "bad" when it came to Afghanistan.

I dont know what you consider "good", and I conversely don't know what you consider to be "evil"-ish.

Is it "bad", to you, that Biden pulled out?

(I should warn you that I consider a Democrat who holds this position to probably be on the white supremacist side of things, and probably many Republicans opponents of the pullout to be the same, though the partisan political issue complicates the Reoublican moaning and the meaning of the meaning of such complaints)

Liz Cheney is a genuine racist, and her opposition to the pullout was very sincere. Very sincerely racist.

I need to know what you just described as a Trump position. I know you called it a bad thing. What are you saying he did or intended to do?

(I have not watched Fox in over 2 years, fyi. I have little clue where the commentators stood. Or even who the talking heads are.


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Message 524 of 585 (890024)
12-21-2021 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 523 by LamarkNewAge
12-21-2021 10:20 PM


Re: Fascism
Can you Read? - wait, I know that answer.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 525 of 585 (890025)
12-22-2021 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 524 by xongsmith
12-21-2021 11:46 PM


Re: Fascism
Do you remember Lincoln Chafee junior?

He was appointed Senator, from Rhode Island, when his anti-war father died (2000/1999).

His father was the only Republicans who voted against the 1991 Gulf War.

The other Senator was the pro-war John "Jack" Reed, a Democrat.

Democrats were trying to elect 2 pro-war candidates (congressman Robert Wiegand or State Attorney General James Langevin), in 2000, to take the Senate seat from Link Chafee.

The 2 anti-abortion, pro war Democrats were the favorites to defeat the "moderate" Republican Lincoln Chafee.

Rep Wiegand got the Democratic nomination and said, in the debate, he would vote for a pro-life Republican Supreme Court justice. Chafee said he would not.

Chafee won by 15 points, thanks to 40% of Democrats supporting him.

Democrats selected the old segregationist Zell Miller to run in the Georgia Senate race - a Paul Begala favorite. He won.

The 50/50 Senate split resulted in Miller saying he would switch from the Democrats if Chafee switched.

Chafee strongly opposed the wars during the Bush administration. He became a Democrat and ran for the nomination in 2016.

He was disturbed by the pro war direction of the Democratic party.

He is now a libertarian.

I am sick of the racist Democratic party. Afghanistan does not need a bunch of white supremacists running the place. Stay the heck out of Afghanistan, fascists.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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