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Percy
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Message 121 of 147 (886437)
05-19-2021 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by marc9000
05-19-2021 8:18 PM


You are aligned with a very sorry group, not conservatives with whom I share a number of views, but Republicans, most of whom believe lies and either know it and so are actual liars, or don't know it and can't take these critical issues seriously enough to inform themselves about the glaringly obvious. Most Republicans believe absurd lies like that the election was stolen or that the January 6th insurrection was no more than a tourist visit or that they're being silenced or that no one would care about their lying if the damn media would just stop talking about it.

You're a member in good standing of this bunch of liars and ignoramuses. You can't even tell the truth about what you're going to do just hours into the future. You told us just before you're leaving this thread, but here you still are.

You are not getting slaughtered because you're outnumbered. You're getting slaughtered because that's what happens to lies when they run up against reality.

You say you never insult anyone, but you do it all the time by calling people angry or frustrated or sputtering with rage or biased or ganging up on you and so forth, and you do it to avoid addressing the actual evidence and arguments. There is no bigger insult than to ignore what someone says while calling them names and bearing false witness.

Are you staying or going in this thread? If you're staying then commit to staying. See the discussion through while addressing the challenges to what you say, and responding to what other people say with arguments based on what you know is true. If you speak falsely your lies can't hide, but if you speak truthfully then reality will be on your side and you will prevail, no matter how many oppose you.

--Percy


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Message 122 of 147 (886445)
05-20-2021 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by marc9000
05-19-2021 8:34 PM


Why, Yes, Marc. Our sky is blue. What's yours?
Yes. Finally, you begin to understand.

I do understand, thank you.

No. No, Marc, I was wrong. I don't think you do. This went right over your head the moment you said amen.

Definition of bigotry | Dictionary.com

Always with the misdirection and deflection from you intellectually stunted reich-wing religionists.

In your twisted little microbrain *we* are the bigots because we oppose your racism. You try to call us bigots because we oppose your hatred of blacks and fags and women and children. You try to escape the label by playing games with dysfunctional definitions. You are despicable, Marc.

You know the label "bigot" as well as racist, hateful, anti-american, inhumane and just plain "fucking stupid" all properly apply to you, your world view and your religion.

You want to hurt people. Deliberately. You want to keep them disenfranchised. You want to deny them the basics of human decency let alone participation in the American ideal. You want to destroy their clinics and wall them out.

You hold a despicable philosophy of privilege and superiority over humanity bent on dictating a class structure and fomenting racial and class warfare. You reich-wing Trumpugnicans are the true evil in American society.

Marc, you and your Trumpian hoards are the future Nazis we see marching toward us. You must not just be opposed ... you must be stopped. Here. Now.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 123 of 147 (886456)
05-20-2021 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by marc9000
05-19-2021 8:18 PM


marc2k writes:

Their goals for America scare the living shit out of me. Those assholes are passing laws making it legal to run down protesters with a motorized vehicle, for fuck's sake!

See what I mean? Please link me to these "laws". Your 4 approval dot providers should be able to help you. Please include more vulgar words.

Multiple news sources report that "Republicans in Oklahoma's State Senate last week passed an "intimidation" bill which grants immunity to drivers who hit protesters."

GOP lawmakers in Oklahoma, Iowa, Missouri, Utah and Florida have either introduced or already passed bills that increase penalties for protesters and provide legal protection for even potentially violent counter-protest measures.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 124 of 147 (886461)
05-20-2021 7:36 PM
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05-20-2021 6:05 PM


Multiple news sources report that "Republicans in Oklahoma's State Senate last week passed an "intimidation" bill which grants immunity to drivers who hit protesters."

For example for the link to a CNN report I provided to Phat in Message 118:
  Oklahoma passes a law that can protect drivers who run over protesters.


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marc9000
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Message 125 of 147 (886503)
05-22-2021 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Percy
05-19-2021 9:34 PM


There is no bigger insult than to ignore what someone says while calling them names and bearing false witness.

I'm on the receiving end of that more than I practice it, and you know it.

Message 706 (DrJones, to me)but I have to say something when I see some sister fucking hillbilly arguing for the prolonging of slavery,

Do you believe him, that I was arguing for the prolonging of slavery? But the jokes on him, I don't even have a sister haha, so there.

Are you staying or going in this thread?

Well I did screw that up, the main thing I was thinking when I said that was that I would now disengage in this thread with the longer and longer exchanges that you and I often get into. I didn't expect to see some of the more tantalizing messages from a few of the others. But here's exactly what I said;

quote:
I'm now done in this thread, so you and your helpers can have the last word that you crave. I'd like to explore a little more in the "Is Science Atheism" thread, maybe in the climate change thread, then I'll be gone again for 6 months or a year, just maybe checking in every once in a while for amusement.

Just tying up a few more details here, then I promise I'm done in this thread. But the "Is Science Atheism" thread holds a lot of promise for some new questions that I have, as does the climate change thread, though to a lesser extent.


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marc9000
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Message 126 of 147 (886504)
05-22-2021 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by AZPaul3
05-20-2021 3:04 AM


Re: Why, Yes, Marc. Our sky is blue. What's yours?
blah blah blah

My views represent more of mainstream America than do yours, and that's a fact.

What did you think of the Ronald Reagan presidency? Let me guess, you weren't born yet. My views pretty much mirror his, and he won really big in 1984, though he didn't have the burdens of having to respond to "Black Lives Matter", "defund the police", and "Global Warming", etc. Democrats have invented a lot of new things since 1988.

I'll note your answer (maybe), but won't respond.


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marc9000
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Message 127 of 147 (886505)
05-22-2021 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by dwise1
05-20-2021 7:36 PM


For example for the link to a CNN report I provided to Phat...

Finally we have a link, I asked others for links to that claim. Let's look at a description of that / those laws;

quote:
Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt signed a bill Wednesday granting immunity to drivers who unintentionally injure or kill protesters while attempting to flee and which stiffens penalties for demonstrators who block public roadways, according to the Oklahoma State Legislature.

UNINTENTIONALY??? Is that the reason others wouldn't provide links, is that the reason you didn't show any text from the link? Unintentionally injuring or killing while attempting to flee threatening mobs who are blocking roads? A big part of the reason for these types of laws is to discourage mobs from blocking roads! HELLOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Now I'm done in this thread.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 128 of 147 (886506)
05-22-2021 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by marc9000
05-22-2021 7:53 PM


Oh gosh, I didn't meant to kill anyone, my foot slipped.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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DrJones*
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Message 129 of 147 (886516)
05-22-2021 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by marc9000
05-22-2021 7:35 PM


Do you believe him, that I was arguing for the prolonging of slavery? But the jokes on him, I don't even have a sister haha, so there.

my apologies I forgot to include the possibility that you're an inbred cousin humper

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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anglagard
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Message 130 of 147 (886518)
05-22-2021 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by marc9000
05-22-2021 7:53 PM


What a Dick
skidMARC writes:

Now I'm done in this thread.

Thank God almighty.

Well, if Stormfront is still offline, you still have Breitbart.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 131 of 147 (886521)
05-23-2021 2:20 AM
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05-22-2021 7:35 PM


Do you believe him, that I was arguing for the prolonging of slavery?

it's kind of hard to deny that charge when you post stuff like:

If the government wouldn't have meddled in 1860, an increasing disdain for slavery would have ended it a few decades later, and an awful war could have been avoided.

but I shouldn't expect you to understand that slavery = bad cause you're just a stupid goat fellator.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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AZPaul3
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Message 132 of 147 (886522)
05-23-2021 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by marc9000
05-22-2021 7:45 PM


Re: Why, Yes, Marc. Our sky is blue. What's yours?
I'll note your answer (maybe), but won't respond.

I'll see your asshole and raise you a fuck off.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Percy
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Message 133 of 147 (886530)
05-23-2021 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by marc9000
05-19-2021 8:11 AM


You said, "I'll be gone again for 6 months or a year," but I could use a break from coding, so I'll post a reply anyway.

marc9000 writes:

The Free Speech Alliance and it's Media Research Center is right wing. They've been described as "propaganda clothed as critique."

They began that way, there's no secret about who they are, they've remained consistent.

Never heard of them, and you offered them as if they were a trusted source. They're not. They probably promote all kinds of fictions, like that the election was rigged, or that Trump won in a landslide, or that Trump bears no responsibility for so many Americans believing the election was rigged or for the January 6th insurrection or for so many Republicans in Congress also promoting these lies.

The NY Times is now described as "chief cheerleader for the left".

You're quoting Trump. The utterer of over 30,000 lies and/or misleading statements during his four years in office is not a reliable source on any subject.

They did not begin that way, and there's still some belief among the public that they're still a legitimate news source. But that belief is fading fast.

Every time you make this claim you're unable to support it. Go ahead, Support your claim and cite some actual New York Times fakery. Or try to support your constantly repeated claims of bias on ABC's World News Tonight.

But I could find no evidence of this claim (though I know there are Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee who believe this nonsense). Here's a link to the webpage for the House Judiciary Committee hearing for that day: Facebook, Google and Twitter: Examining the Content Filtering Practices of Social Media Giants | U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee . Knock yourself out finding references to the Media Research Center report at that link.

That claim fits what I see going on around me. I don't need to spend hours looking for something you can't find, only to have you dismiss it in 5 seconds. I believe what the MRC says, you believe what the NY Times says. That's where we are.

Choosing who to believe based on what comports best with what you already believe will not serve you well. Go by the evidence from reality. The New York Times is a trusted news source because it works hard at making sure its reporting comports with reality.

Why should the Cincinnati Reds organization provide a platform for a gay-hater.

One flippant word in private does not indicate hate. Sheesh.

Oh, sure, Marc, that's just something we all do, flippantly drop fag or nigger or spic into our private conversations. That wouldn't mean we're homophobic or racist at all.

Why are you defending even more hate speech by offering the example of Robert Byrd getting away with using the word nigger?

The term is "double standard". Democrats get away with hate speech, Republicans do not. Rashida Tlaib screams "impeach the mo frigga" very intentionally, very publicly, and pays no price at all.

You're drawing a false equivalence between racism and profanity.

Not providing a platform for hate speech like you describe, namely calling people fags and niggers, is a good thing. You seem not to even realize how much more obvious you're making the racist and homophobic views of Trump Republicans. You're just digging your hole wider and deeper.

"Racist and homophobic" - I guess no terms have been coined to describe the Trump hate and white people hate that people like Tlaib regularly display. Probably because it's not thought necessary, not taken seriously. But some of us think it's time to start taking it seriously.

Calling attention to racism and its consequences is not hate speech. Complaining about Trump's malevolency is not hate speech. You clearly wish to demonize any of racism and bigotry's victims who have the audacity to call it out for what it is.

First, you don't really mean true conservatives. The people you're really talking about are Trump supporters who believe the former president's lies that the election was stolen, despite that he lost 59 of 60 court cases. The one court case he won was to allow observers to stand closer.

I really do mean true conservatives, because close to half of the country liked the job he did as president,...

Trump's average job approval over four years was 41%. When he left office it was 34%. Republicans like Trump a lot, some Independents like him, and very few of everyone else. But the support of Republican politicians is qualified. Most support Trump only because he can deliver so many voters, and to oppose him means to lose elections. If it weren't for Trump's ability to deliver voters then Republicans in Congress wouldn't push the nonsense that the election was rigged or that the January 6th insurrection was actually a lot like a tourist visit or wasn't Trump supporters at all.

The gullibility of Trump lovers to believe these lies is hard to understand. Losing 59 of 60 court cases isn't persuasive to Trump lovers. It should be easy to find fraudulent ballots if Trump's claims of millions of them were true, but only a very few have been found here and there, and they're mostly Republican. Trump lovers are untroubled by this. They don't seem to ponder how these millions of fraudulent ballots disappeared into thin air. It would have taken thousands and thousands of people to create all those fraudulent ballots and somehow get them counted without causing disparities between number of check-ins and number of votes, yet not one of them has been tracked down or come forward and confessed.

Many Trump lovers believe the invaders of the capitol were impersonators of Trump lovers, and they seem unperturbed that every insurrectionist that's been tracked down and arrested is an actual Trump supporter.

...his somewhat childish reactions to the election were a minor detail.

Yeah, minor, except for the parts about fomenting insurrection and sowing distrust in US elections.

His somewhat regrettable behavior about the election were understandable for most of them, his dread of what Biden's handlers were going to do to this country stirred up some understandable panic. The Hamas terrorist group has no fear of the U.S. now, oil prices going up, an out-of-control southern border. Unemployment, inflation, able bodied people doing nothing, it's all happening fast.

So a president who loses a free and fair election is justified in his efforts at overturning it if he fears what his duly elected successor might do? Does that sound like a democracy to you.

Are Trump supporters confident in the election of all the down ballot Republicans who won? Have they figured out yet how, other than by magic, votes for down ballot Republicans were unaffected but votes for Trump on the same ballot were changed to Biden? Why would anyone having the power to change votes change them only for the presidential race?

Hahahaha, because the presidential race was high profile, it's where all the attention and corruption was!

The Senate isn't high profile? Seems pretty high profile to me. Since the Democrats took both the presidency *and* the Senate don't you want to accuse them of stealing the Senate elections, too? After all, if Trump won the election in a landslide then the Republicans couldn't possibly have lost the Senate - it's just not possible.

There's no evidence of election corruption, just isolated instances of voter fraud, mostly Republican. You still haven't explained how millions of votes could be stolen in a presidential election. No one has. It isn't possible to just dump in a bunch of fraudulent ballots because then the number of ballots won't match the number of voters. Same for mail-in ballots. You can harvest mail-in ballots out of mailboxes as they're delivered, but doing it for millions of ballots across the country would require an enormous and extremely stealthy workforce, and there would be many complaints by people who didn't receive their mail-in ballot. When you find the corruption you let us know.

Covid-19 hysteria? With nearly 600,000 dead so far, concern about covid-19 is rational, not hysterical.

Trump was blamed for it, dances were done by the NY Times to imply that he was somehow responsible for it, or that his actions in dealing with it were inadequate. All lies of course.

Trump was blamed because there were more deaths than there should have been. Trump failed to take the virus seriously by saying things like it was no worse than the flu or that it would be gone by last April or that wearing a mask wasn't that important. He's responsible for the country's response being far less vigorous than it should have been and so is responsible for the number of covid deaths in the US being more than it would have been. US could have averted 40% of Covid deaths, says panel examining Trump's policies reports a study finding that it could have been as much as 40% less with proper measures. Trump isn't alone in deserving blame for many unnecessary deaths because there are countries that did worse, the UK for example.

Recently, the Colonial pipeline company paid millions in ransom to Russian hackers to restore the operation of their pipeline. No mention of Biden in any of the reports. If that had happened during the Trump administration, do you think his name would be mentioned? Impeachment articles would be drawn up.

I don't see how it makes sense to blame a current president for ransomware attacks, but our government deserves a lot of blame for not taking cyberattacks much more seriously than it does. This incident demonstrates our vulnerability in the event of conflict. Our government should take a much more proactive approach against cyberattacks.

It was a reply to AZPaul3, and I guess he chose not to respond to it. You appear to be spewing a bunch of nonsense in that message, much like here.

So you don't believe the Democrat party has changed much in the last 60 years?

Your nonsense wasn't the part about political change. All political parties undergo change over time, both the Democrats and the Republicans. Your nonsense was in arguing that current views are called into question if they differ from views in the past.

Your accusation applies equally to Republicans as Democrats. There seems no argument so fallacious you won't use it.

There's no significant effort by liberals to repeal the 2nd amendment.

They could easily make that position official, but they never do.

So because a guy on an Internet discussion board has accused the Democrats of wanting to repeal the 2nd amendment, you think the Democratic party should create an official position about not repealing it? That's absurd.

Neither political party has any official position vis-a-vis not repealing any particular amendment. If you disagree then explain why the Republicans don't have an official position about not repealing the 15th amendment about voting rights?

Just incremental steps, "a step in the right direction" as they describe more and more gun control steps. And the "right direction" is???

The right direction is to interpret the 2nd amendment as originally intended in the context of militias in an era when soldiers provided their own firearms and firearms were muskets. The founding fathers would look in horror upon the carnage wrought by modern weapons and view as an abomination placing such weapons in the hands of private citizens.

Many rank and file Democrats would be happy to see the 2nd amendment repealed, one poll put it at around 20%, but there's no push to make that part of the official party platform.

Most of most states is rural, Marc, and satellite dishes are everywhere in rural America. Your claim that rural America can't watch Fox News because it's on cable was wrong.

Wasn't it you 8 or 9 months ago telling me that rural America was getting poorer and poorer because the government wasn't giving them enough free stuff? Now suddenly they can all afford premium television and internet, even though its prices keep going up and up? Biden must be a miracle worker!

This is yet another way you get things wrong. You recall something I said about rural America becoming poorer a while back, but you can't quite remember the details, so you fill in the blanks with nonsense.

In more detail this time, the standard of living of rural America relative to the rest of the country has been in decline for a long time. Its youth seeks better opportunities elsewhere and its population slowly diminishes. Demand drops and businesses and health services withdraw. Employment opportunities decline. Rural dwellers have to travel further today for shopping and medical care than at any time in over half a century.

The government could do a great deal to improve the quality of life of rural Americans who work against their own best interests by voting for the party least committed to helping them. Rural Americans prefer to be self reliant, but they're at the mercy of forces too great to resist, namely the longstanding worldwide move from rural to more urban regions. They can't Improve their circumstances on their own, it just isn't possible. They need the help of government, which could, for example, subsidize rural healthcare so that clinics and hospitals could reopen. Government could provide financial incentives for businesses to locate rurally.

But rural America votes against their own best interests by remaining obstinately Republican with almost a repugnance to government involvement. They believe in self-reliance in the face of insurmountable odds. If they want to save their way of life then they need to recognize that only government has the power to change their plight for the better.

About satellite dishes, rural populations have less wealth than they did, but they're not destitute. I'm sure Fox News is part of any basic package for satellite service.

No, not at all. You're all pretty much delusional. But they're backing Trump's lies about the 2020 election and about racism because they believe it's necessary to holding on to their current offices. Why are you?

Because during the Trump administration, we had a southern border that was getting under control.

Trump's idea of border control was far too cruel for a modern nation. We're far too wealthy and compassionate a nation to treat the desperate like that.

We had terrorist groups in the Middle East that were afraid to try him.

You mean Al Queda was so afraid of Trump that they never recruited Mohammad al-Shamrani to kill three service members in Pensacola?

We had low unemployment,...

The pandemic destroyed low unemployment, and it occurred under Trump, not Biden. The unemployment rate has dropped since Biden took office, from 6.3% to 6.1%.

The unemployment rate was 4.8% when Obama lesft office, so during Trump's presidency the unemployment rate rose from 4.8% to 6.3%, but that was due to the pandemic. Unemployment reached its lowest point under Trump in February, 2020, at 3.8%, which is ultralow by historical standards and would traditionally be considered a sign of an economy that was on the verge of overheating and high inflation. But inflation remained in check because low wages kept demand in check

Economists are predicting a booming economy for the rest of 2021, and maybe their right, but it doesn't seem like a sure thing to me. I don't think we can rule out a rocky economic recovery as the pandemic (hopefully) continues to wind down.

It's important to keep in mind that four months is too short a time for a president to have much influence on the economy. I don't think Biden can take credit for the decrease in unemployment.

...low inflation,...

I think we've all been expecting inflation to pick up at some point given the deficits of the Trump tax cuts, the Trump spending increases, the additional spending required by the pandemic, and the decline in tax revenue due to the pandemic's downward pressure on economic activity. Inflation did pick up in April, and if reports of businesses having difficulty recruiting employees have substance then there will be wage inflation followed by price inflation.

But again, four months is too short a period to assign Biden any credit or blame for inflation.

...a promising economy,...

GDP grew by 1.6% during Q1 of this year, a greater rate than Trump's Q4 of last year.

But again, four months is too short a period to assign Biden any credit or blame for the economy.

...it goes on and on.

You did go on and on, but you're characterization of things getting worse under Biden just doesn't hold water. I'm not a fan of Biden, I'm critical of his lack of action on the border and his policies on Israel, but at least he believes in democracy and is at heart a decent human being, unlike Trump.

Marc, you see negative emotions in everyone who disagrees with you. You can't disagree with anyone without accusing them of being angry or frustrated or sputtering with rage and all the rest. Give it a break.

The only person who sounds angry around here (not to mention uninformed and shameless in fabricating arguments) is you. You again made it through an entire post saying almost nothing true.

What criteria do you use to determine anger? I largely go by name calling...

Have you ever considered the possibility that if someone calls you, say, an idiot it's because you're being an idiot and not because they're angry? I'm not going to call you names, but you certainly deserve it after this parade of lies masquerading as a message.

...I never call names,...

You call people names constantly. Are you operating under the misimpression that "stupid" or "ignorant" are derogatory but "angry" or "sputtering with rage" are complements?

The actual criteria you seem to be applying is that everything you do is good and nice while everything anyone who disagrees with you does is bad and insulting.

...and yet I'm on the receiving end of name calling and insults here all the time. I'm wrong about that right? I'm just like Trump, it doesn't matter what I say, it's automatically wrong because I say it?

What you say isn't automatically wrong. It just seems that way because you so rarely get anything right. You're full of unsupported opinions. You have a constant stream of grievance that you rotate through your messages as if you believed being angry and resentful and willing to make thins up makes you right.

That's what makes this place fun, but it's also a little sad. But to your tremendous relief, I'm now done in this thread, so you and your helpers can have the last word that you crave.

And you are wrong yet again. No one wants you to leave. No one wants to have the last word. Everyone wants you to stay and continue the discussion.

...I'll be gone again for 6 months or a year, just maybe checking in every once in a while for amusement.

No one's amused on this end. Your inconsideration of the time and effort people put into responding to you is very unfunny.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 134 of 147 (886531)
05-23-2021 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by marc9000
05-22-2021 7:35 PM


You said you were leaving for 6 months to a year. Can't you say anything true?

marc9000 writes:

There is no bigger insult than to ignore what someone says while calling them names and bearing false witness.

I'm on the receiving end of that more than I practice it, and you know it.

So you finally admit that you dish it out, by name calling and making things up and lies and just blithely ignoring what people say. You say some fairly repugnant things, so it's no surprise that you draw some strong reactions.

Message 706 (DrJones, to me)but I have to say something when I see some sister fucking hillbilly arguing for the prolonging of slavery,

Do you believe him, that I was arguing for the prolonging of slavery? But the jokes on him, I don't even have a sister haha, so there.

You argued for not fighting the Civil War. That means the Confederacy would still exist today. You also argued that slavery would have died out naturally and speculated that it wouldn't have taken long. This isn't the place for a history lesson, but it might help you reevaluate your assessment if you consider the number of Confederate dead (258,000, or 5% of their population) as an indication of their determination to hold onto their slaves. Also consider the virulence of southern racism today as another indication.

Just tying up a few more details here, then I promise I'm done in this thread. But the "Is Science Atheism" thread holds a lot of promise for some new questions that I have, as does the climate change thread, though to a lesser extent.

You have more than a few details to tie up in this thread.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 135 of 147 (886532)
05-23-2021 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by marc9000
05-22-2021 7:45 PM


Re: Why, Yes, Marc. Our sky is blue. What's yours?
marc9000 writes:

My views represent more of mainstream America than do yours, and that's a fact.

No, that's not a fact. It is sad that far too many Americans share your racist, delusional views and are also anti-democratic when it suits them, but you're not mainstream America.

What did you think of the Ronald Reagan presidency? Let me guess, you weren't born yet. My views pretty much mirror his,...

Nothing you've said reminds me of Reagan.

...and he won really big in 1984,...

And in 1980, too.

...though he didn't have the burdens of having to respond to "Black Lives Matter",...

So to you the concerns of black Americans about their disproportionately high murder rate at the hands of police are a burden?

..."defund the police",...

This slogan has been explained enough times that this can only be considered willful misrepresentation.

...and "Global Warming",...

Most of the world recognizes climate change. You're engaged in denialism. A lot of Republicans don't believe the pandemic is real, either. To too many Republicans it makes more sense to believe that the entire world is in on these frauds than to accept that they are real.

etc. Democrats have invented a lot of new things since 1988.

This is what I mean. The entire world is not colluding with Democrats in America to perpetrate frauds on Trump Republicans. You need to find some sane positions.

--Percy


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